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Mr.Bittacy
Joined: 16 Jun 2019 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:56 am Post subject: Bokeh/Focal Length Comparison Shots |
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Mr.Bittacy wrote:
I decided to shoot some comparison shots the other day with some of my lenses and I figured it may be of interest to someone.. Nothing special, or scientific. It was a hazy morning, 2 sec delay on tripod, all shot wide open, WB set to daylight and shots processed in light room with the auto setting then converted. The Chicken is a little larger than human head sized. I tried to keep the size of the chicken the same to show the blur potential so obviously the 300mm shot was much further away than the 58mm... Hopefully it is of interest to someone, I was interested to see the comparison and once again the Isco-Gottingen 180 was very impressive especially for the lack of fringing.
300mm f 2.8 Nikkor AIS ED
Nikkor AIS 300mm f2.8 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
200mm f 2 Nikkor AI ED
Nikkor AI 200mm f2 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
Isco-Gottingen 180mm f 2.8
Isco-Gottingen 180mm f2.8 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
180mm f 2.8 Nikkor AIS ED ( Got a new unscratched lens)
Nikkor AIS 180mm 2.8 ED by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
135mm f 2 Nikkor AI
Nikkor AI 135mm f2 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
135mm f2.8 Isco-Gottingen early preset version
Isco Gottingen 135mm f2.8 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
105mm f1.8 Nikkor AIS
Nikkor AIS 105mm f1.8 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
90mm f 2.5 Tokina AT-X Macro ( Sharpest and most difficult to focus by far)
Tokina 90mm f2.5 AT-X Macro by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
85mm f 1.7 Minolta MC Version 2
Minolta MC v2 85mm f1.7 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
58mm f 1.2 Minolta MC version 2
Minolta MC v2 58mm f1.2 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
55mm f 1.7 Minolta MC
Minolta MC 55mm f 1.7 by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr
58mm f2 Helios, Early KMZ 13 blade version
Helios 58mm f2 KMZ 13 blade aperture by Mr. Bittacy, on Flickr |
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wolan
Joined: 30 Jun 2015 Posts: 576 Location: Zurich
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: |
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wolan wrote:
Thanks for sharing. Please publish more bokeh tests. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/149089857@N03/ |
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aidaho
Joined: 29 Apr 2018 Posts: 456 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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aidaho wrote:
Thanks fo the series.
Looking at this, it's interesting to reflect on my own preferences.
I think at the beginning of my facination with interchangeable lens photography I would've preferred something from the top: creamy and dreamy.
Right now though, I find shots from 135mm and below much more interesting due to context and due to visible structure in the bokeh. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/curry-hexagon/ |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
The ISCO looks better than i expected with good CA control. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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Mr.Bittacy
Joined: 16 Jun 2019 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Mr.Bittacy wrote:
I agree it is all about personal preference, I like the fast longer lenses because they allow separation when you shoot at longer distances such as full body where the bokeh looks a lot more like the shorter focal length lenses. The problem is just how far away you have to be to do that.. I guess that is why it’s fun to shoot the older lenses though, they all have their own character and being able to have a large selection let’s you choose the right one for the situation or your mood. |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
Very interesting and also illustrates the difference between reflex and standard lenses. At long fl, bokey is very soft and creamy for standard lenses while it is busy donuts with reflex which gives wholly different pictures. _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 826 Location: Putnam, CT
Expire: 2014-08-11
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Very nicely done - thank you very much for the comparisons! For this particular subject/shot, I really like the Nikkor 300 f/2.8. Personal preference, because they are all technically excellent - and all have a place in the camera bag (metaphorically speaking). I think one reason I like the 300, and the creamier/dreamier types for this subject is that as the background shapes up as the focal length decreases, the horizon line cutting through the neck of the chicken becomes more and more obvious.
All the best,
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
Good test. That 300mm Nikkor is a really intriguing lens. I just don't think I have room to store one. I'm already over capacity!
I too like the longer focal lengths, but it's harder to structure situations to use them properly. You can't exactly take one along to your friend's house, sit down at the kitchen table, and start taking portraits - not the way you can with a 50.
I still love my 180 ED Nikkor. Great lens. Probably my favorite Nikkor, and that's saying something. |
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Mr.Bittacy
Joined: 16 Jun 2019 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mr.Bittacy wrote:
Yeah the 300 Nikkor is a great lens and really cheap compared to the performance... the 300 and the 200 are just so big, heavy and awkward to use I find myself using the 180 the most. But on the flip side the 300 & 200 can get shots that the others lenses just can’t do.. sometimes I get stuck carrying too much weight because you can always stop down a fast lens but sometimes you need the speed.. They are all great to get brenzier style shots to try and copy the look of medium and large format. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
Have you ever tried the old 200mm Takumar 3.5 with a preset aperture?
That's a really nice lens (and not very expensive), and it's light enough for handheld shooting. It's got 18 aperture blades too. |
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Mr.Bittacy
Joined: 16 Jun 2019 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Mr.Bittacy wrote:
KEO wrote: |
Have you ever tried the old 200mm Takumar 3.5 with a preset aperture?
That's a really nice lens (and not very expensive), and it's light enough for handheld shooting. It's got 18 aperture blades too. |
I have wanted to but I have not had a chance to try it, I can’t imagine it will out perform the Isco although the handling may be better.. I will probably stick with the Nikkor for all purpose use since it is fast enough to use in low light... if only the Minolta AF 200 2.8 was available in manual focus... |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10540 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:46 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:21 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Interesting comparison, thank you.
You may also find out the different consequences of all the influencing parameters with much lesser effort here: https://dofsimulator.net/en/
Therefore I would find it much more interesting to see the differences when lenses of the same focal length and aperture are compared. The general behaviour can be simulated anyway. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Mr.Bittacy
Joined: 16 Jun 2019 Posts: 76
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Mr.Bittacy wrote:
Very true, I messed with some of the simulators but it was still a little difficult for me to visualize the difference real world.. I should have done a lot more comparisons before I cut down on my collection, two lenses I need to shoot side by side Is the Nikkor 50 1.8 pancake and Minolta 55 1.9 Mc.. they have very similar rendering to my eye.. |
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