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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
I am interested in lenses with special character that would produce painting like effect, wide open, unprocessed. So far i liked:
Rikenon 2.2/55mm, Fujinon 2.2/55mm, Vivitar 2.5/28mm. Probably most F1.2 lenses. Any other preferably wide angle comes to your mind?
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The Vivitar 28mm 1:2 Kiron version is even dreamier than the 2.5
Enna Müchen Macro-Ennalyt 35mm 1:3.5 (plastic version)
Most large aperture (under 2.8 ) wide angles will be dreamy wide open I guess
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Phalbert wrote:
There is a thread where someone reversed the front element of a Helios 44. The pictures he showed were gorgeous, but as far as I remember all were close-ups, flowers and stuff. If the lens still focuses to infinity, the effect should be quite unique. I'll try to find the thread...
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
http://forum.mflenses.com/helios-44-flip-reverse-front-or-rear-element-or-both-t80736.html
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tomasg
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tomasg wrote:
The old Sigma EX 20mm f1.8 comes to mind. |
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visualopsins wrote:
de-focus a little
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stevemark wrote:
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| de-focus a little |
That was a good advice looong time ago when large format lenses were the standard for landscape images - and when most of the lenses would have quite some uncorrected aberrations: Even if not correctly focused, there was still some detail remaining.
Most of the post-1960 vintage lenses for FF cameras are "too good" to use this method.
Much easier - and much more controllable - is the use of a UV fillter smudged with a touch of vaseline (petroleum jelly): You can use any lens you like / have, you can increase or decrease the effect by increasing / decreasing the amount of vaseline used, and you can even vary the effect within your image. Well known and often used method back in the 1980s ...
Otherwise a set of soft filters (e. g. the Minolta portrayer "S" variant) or a real soft focus lens might be helpful as well.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dreamy Landscape lenses |
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KEO wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
| Any other preferably wide angle comes to your mind? |
Pentacon 50 comes to mind. That's a great little lens for wide open, painterly bokeh.
The Meyer 35mm Primagon 4.5 has excellent character and bokeh. |
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
I actually have a soft filter called B+W wz-1 that ads softness. The filter is clear but it causes some sort of spherical aberration (glow) by a sort of circular waves (like when you drop a rock in a pond) in the glass. There are plenty of those on ebay. There is also a wz-2 I guess that one has a stronger effect.
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
| D1N0 wrote: |
The Vivitar 28mm 1:2 Kiron version is even dreamier than the 2.5
Enna Müchen Macro-Ennalyt 35mm 1:3.5 (plastic version)
Most large aperture (under 2.8 ) wide angles will be dreamy wide open I guess |
Yes, you reminded me of Enna i used many years ago and really like it. Must try it again.
Regarding Kiron i suspect edges wide open will too weak on full frame. Do you have any samples?
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dreamy Landscape lenses |
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Pancolart wrote:
| KEO wrote: |
| Pancolart wrote: |
| Any other preferably wide angle comes to your mind? |
Pentacon 50 comes to mind. That's a great little lens for wide open, painterly bokeh.
The Meyer 35mm Primagon 4.5 has excellent character and bokeh. |
Primagon, splendid, i hope i still have it in other then Praktina mount  .
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Some great suggestions there, like experimenting with filters (i only used polarizer) and de-focusing.
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
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Regarding Kiron i suspect edges wide open will too weak on full frame. Do you have any samples? |
Never shot landscape wide open on full frame. I remember the softness from when I first used it on aps-c, so on FF it is a bit more subtle.
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kiddo
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kiddo wrote:
Probably ,in this case, the best lens would be the one that has less sharpness (basically old zooms that go for cheap ), but a hazy prime would work just as good (why not a cured fungus one?).
Defocusing might work if passing the infinity or the subject to be focused .
I remember the character lenses might fit so well, cheap pentacon 29mm , I should try Sun zoom 35-90 3.5, for macro is pretty nice , glossy landscape might be worth to try . |
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calvin83 wrote:
A lens, with a bit of haze evenly on one of the elements, will do the job. 
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kymarto wrote:
In wide angles, I nominate the Auto Takumar 35mm f2.3, the Isco Westron/Westromat 35mm f2.8 and the 35mm f2.0 Wollensak Fastax Raptar. If you are handy adapting lenses, there is the Okaya Highkor 40mm f1.8 or f1.9 from the Lord rangefinder cameras. Of course for landscapes, nothing is going to give you dreamy because nothing will be defocused. Most vintage lenses will simply lack sharpness and contrast at infinity focus wide open, at least as compared to modern lenses.
Fastax Raptar 35mm
Auto Takumar
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Okaya Highkor 40mm f1.8
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benadamx
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benadamx wrote:
i am also into this sort of thing, and my most recent picks are
canon fd 35-70mm f2.8 SSC:
and kiron 28mm f/2 (also available as vivitar):
my copy of the canon has some slop in the focus so i don't use it as much as i'd like to, i guess the slide bearing design is a known issue with these, so watch out for that if you decide to get one |
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vivaldibow wrote:
| benadamx wrote: |
i am also into this sort of thing, and my most recent picks are
canon fd 35-70mm f2.8 SSC:
and kiron 28mm f/2 (also available as vivitar):
my copy of the canon has some slop in the focus so i don't use it as much as i'd like to, i guess the slide bearing design is a known issue with these, so watch out for that if you decide to get one |
Like your shots, especially the first one. My Vivitar/Kiron is still on its way. Somehow the Canon copy I have also has the focus issue. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Dreamy Landscape lenses |
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vivaldibow wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
I am interested in lenses with special character that would produce painting like effect, wide open, unprocessed. So far i liked:
Rikenon 2.2/55mm, Fujinon 2.2/55mm, Vivitar 2.5/28mm. Probably most F1.2 lenses. Any other preferably wide angle comes to your mind? |
I've seen Vivitar 35-85mm f/2.8's performance at certain situation is like that. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: Pentax 28mm f/2.8 Soft |
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Abbazz wrote:
Don't forget the Pentax 28mm f/2.8 Soft, another one-of-a-kind lens from Pentax: a soft focus wide lens, dedicated to those dreamy landscapes that look like paintings...
Cheers!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Pentax 28mm f/2.8 Soft |
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D1N0 wrote:
| Abbazz wrote: |
Don't forget the Pentax 28mm f/2.8 Soft, another one-of-a-kind lens from Pentax: a soft focus wide lens, dedicated to those dreamy landscapes that look like paintings...
Cheers!
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and good luck finding one
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alex_d wrote:
A Landscape you photograph on Infinity and aperture on 8 - 11.
Any special character of a lens will be almost invisible.
With photographing close-up's and details in the nature (flowers, leaves, mushrooms..),
there is another setup - but thats not a Landscape photography. |
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Abbazz wrote:
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A Landscape you photograph on Infinity and aperture on 8 - 11.
Any special character of a lens will be almost invisible.
With photographing close-up's and details in the nature (flowers, leaves, mushrooms..),
there is another setup - but thats not a Landscape photography. |
I don't see why it would not be possible to shoot landscape with an aperture wider than f/.8-11. With a 16mm lens, you can shoot on 24x36 at f/2.8 and have anything in focus from 2.5 meter to infinity.
Here's a picture taken a few minutes ago with the aforementioned Pentax 28mm Soft at f/5.6 (click to see full size):
Plenty of character I would say...
Cheers!
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D1N0 wrote:
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A Landscape you photograph on Infinity and aperture on 8 - 11.
Any special character of a lens will be almost invisible.
With photographing close-up's and details in the nature (flowers, leaves, mushrooms..),
there is another setup - but thats not a Landscape photography. |
Pancolart is looking for lenses that are dreamy wide open at infinity distances. So no bokeh, no stopping down. Lenses with spherical aberration. Using a lens on aps-c or m43 will enhance the dreaminess but then it will be hard to find a wide angle. 36mm equivalent on aps-c with a 24 is reasonably wide but that's about it.
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calvin83 wrote:
| Abbazz wrote: |
| alex_d wrote: |
A Landscape you photograph on Infinity and aperture on 8 - 11.
Any special character of a lens will be almost invisible.
With photographing close-up's and details in the nature (flowers, leaves, mushrooms..),
there is another setup - but thats not a Landscape photography. |
I don't see why it would not be possible to shoot landscape with an aperture wider than f/.8-11. With a 16mm lens, you can shoot on 24x36 at f/2.8 and have anything in focus from 2.5 meter to infinity.
Here's a picture taken a few minutes ago with the aforementioned Pentax 28mm Soft at f/5.6 (click to see full size):
Plenty of character I would say...
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Nice! 
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