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benadamx
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 Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:09 am Post subject: Auto Miranda 180mm / f3.5 |
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benadamx wrote:
seems to be quite a bit of miranda talk today - perhaps fittingly, came upon this pristine (possibly unused?) auto miranda 180mm / f3.5 at the resale shop today... as i understand it miranda and soligor are essentially facets of the same company; is it possible to tell who manufactured this lens from the serial (as can be done with some soligor lenses?)
180mm is an odd focal length to me (and rare, have only ever come across one other 180mm lens) - what's an appropriate subject matter / use case at this focal length, for test shots?
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
Soligor marketed a 180mm/3.5 made by Tokina.
This one looks different to me.
The Soligor is an excellent lens with good resolution from widest aperture.
Here are some samples
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D1N0
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The Soligor variant with the Silver ears has a 8x serial. According to https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/soligor-catalog it is Tokina. But to me it doesn't look like a Tokina. I do not think the Soligor serial number ID is 100% reliable. More likely to be Komine I think.
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Oldhand wrote:
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| The Soligor variant with the Silver ears has a 8x serial. According to https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/soligor-catalog it is Tokina. But to me it doesn't look like a Tokina. I do not think the Soligor serial number ID is 100% reliable. More likely to be Komine I think. |
I have also seen them with Hxxxxxxxx serial numbers. Soligor may have sourced different 180's from different manufacturers.
I always thought that mine was Tokina made, but Komine certainly may have made one too.
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
I have a Soligor 75-260 that is also supposed to be Tokina (There is also a Vivitar Tokina version (37xxx of that one) but no silver ears.
 Soligor AUTO-ZOOM 1:4.5 f = 75-260mm by The lens profile, on Flickr
So maybe this design was exclusive to Soligor/Miranda.
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benadamx
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benadamx wrote:
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| The Soligor variant with the Silver ears has a 8x serial. According to https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/soligor-catalog it is Tokina. But to me it doesn't look like a Tokina. I do not think the Soligor serial number ID is 100% reliable. More likely to be Komine I think. |
I have also seen them with Hxxxxxxxx serial numbers. Soligor may have sourced different 180's from different manufacturers.
I always thought that mine was Tokina made, but Komine certainly may have made one too.
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fwiw (probably nothing), my other 180mm/3.5 is a tele-tokina preset, and the build is nothing like this, it's more analogous to a komura of that era, but perhaps that is owing to the age difference in the designs |
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walter g wrote:
I have the Miranda 180mm f3.5 thanks to Luis.
Weather has been to rainy and overcast to try it.
The markings on the lens are typical Sun Optical, but even if it was made by Sun it would of been made to Miranda specs.
The 200mm f3.5, which I don't have, appears to be made by Tokina.
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papasito wrote:
I saw the 180/3,5 un Soligor brand with serial 16xxxxx. Tokina made, I guess.
And what about 200/3,5 IQ? |
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D1N0 wrote:
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I saw the 180/3,5 un Soligor brand with serial 16xxxxx. Tokina made, I guess.
And what about 200/3,5 IQ? |
There are versions made by Tokina, Komine, Kawanon, Tamron (if we can go by serial number identification). So IQ will probably vary depening on who made the lens and when it was made.
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benadamx wrote:
finally had a chance to get out and shoot in decent sunlight, and was pretty impressed! as mentioned above regarding the soligor 180mm/f3.5, the resolution and color wide-open is pretty excellent
these are all straight from the camera, sony a7ii saving to jpg
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D1N0 wrote:
That looks pretty good to me
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benadamx wrote:
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| That looks pretty good to me |
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visualopsins wrote:
| D1N0 wrote: |
| The Soligor variant with the Silver ears has a 8x serial. According to https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/soligor-catalog it is Tokina. But to me it doesn't look like a Tokina. I do not think the Soligor serial number ID is 100% reliable. More likely to be Komine I think. |
LOL! The serial number table on that Web page comes from mflenses! walterg is the author.
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-12-8-f28mm-21and-versions-t30866.html
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Anthracite wrote:
The Miranda looks similar to my Soligor 180/3,5, but its design is not the same. The Soligor is thickest at the front, the Miranda in the middle.
Who built it? No idea. The serial number of the Soligor start's with an 8, and it still remains an unsolved mystery who built that lenses. I don't think its Tokina, because Soligor used different numbers for Tokina.
It's quite good for an old long telephoto lens. The Soligors with 200mm length are all worse. |
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papasito wrote:
What about soligor 180/3,5 n° 16xxxxx IQ?
IS IT a lens tu buy for general use like médium tele? |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Auto Miranda 180mm / f3.5 |
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kansalliskala wrote:
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180mm is an odd focal length to me (and rare, have only ever come across one other 180mm lens) - what's an appropriate subject matter / use case at this focal length, for test shots?
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180 is an old sports focal lenght (is it?) like Olympic Sonnar and Nikkor 180/2.8 but nowdays a portrait lens?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:21 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I think the reason for 180mm was to be able to build a reasonably compact lens that is still bright and not very soft wide open. They may even be a bit shorter like 175mm.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:00 am Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
The 200 mm for some people is a portrait lens.
Should be lighter than the old 180 . |
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
Some samples with mine (Tokina made silver ear preset Soligor 180mm F3.5)
 Fungkeh by The lens profile, on Flickr
 Polekeh by The lens profile, on Flickr
 Kittykeh by The lens profile, on Flickr
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Ultrapix wrote:
Aside CAs, amazingly good for an old tele.
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sergun wrote:
Interesting. Seligor looks pretty smooth. What other 180mm fixes can be recommended for portraiture (good rendering)? (camera A7R2)
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D1N0 wrote:
CZJ Sonnar 180mm/2.8
Tamron adaptall-2 180mm/2.5 63b
Both much heavier and more expensive, the Tamron is the more modern option, the CZJ is really vintage.
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| Interesting. Seligor looks pretty smooth. What other 180mm fixes can be recommended for portraiture (good rendering)? (camera A7R2) |
Nikon 180 ED;
Canon 200 2,8; |
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