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caspert79
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:24 pm Post subject: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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caspert79 wrote:
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
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vivaldibow
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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vivaldibow wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
Don't own Takumar 85mm, but for all the 85mms that I've casually compared, including
Nikon 85mm/1.8/2
Canon fd 85mm/1.8
Pentax-M 85mm/2
Olympus 85mm/2
Vivitar 85mm/1.8, Soligor 85mm/1.8, Spiratone 85mm/1.7
I have yet to find one really standing out. Certainly, most of them are very good in general to my taste. Next 85mm on my searching list is Minolta, Helios, or relatively modern Rokinon 85mm/1.4 (also branded as Vivitar series 1, samyang, etc.) |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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visualopsins wrote:
vivaldibow wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
Don't own Takumar 85mm, but for all the 85mms that I've casually compared, including
Nikon 85mm/1.8/2
Canon fd 85mm/1.8
Pentax-M 85mm/2
Olympus 85mm/2
Vivitar 85mm/1.8, Soligor 85mm/1.8, Spiratone 85mm/1.7
I have yet to find one really standing out. Certainly, most of them are very good in general to my taste. Next 85mm on my searching list is Minolta, Helios, or relatively modern Rokinon 85mm/1.4 (also branded as Vivitar series 1, samyang, etc.) |
Are you saying there is no discernible difference between those lenses so you can't compare others with Pentax-M 85mm/2? _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 837
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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vivaldibow wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
vivaldibow wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
Don't own Takumar 85mm, but for all the 85mms that I've casually compared, including
Nikon 85mm/1.8/2
Canon fd 85mm/1.8
Pentax-M 85mm/2
Olympus 85mm/2
Vivitar 85mm/1.8, Soligor 85mm/1.8, Spiratone 85mm/1.7
I have yet to find one really standing out. Certainly, most of them are very good in general to my taste. Next 85mm on my searching list is Minolta, Helios, or relatively modern Rokinon 85mm/1.4 (also branded as Vivitar series 1, samyang, etc.) |
Are you saying there is no discernible difference between those lenses so you can't compare others with Pentax-M 85mm/2? |
Not really. I dug my old post and found I said I liked Pentax M 85mm better than Nikon 85mm/1.8 and Canon 85mm/1.8. Olympus' 85mm seems to have a busier bokeh (but it is probably at certain situations). For those third party 85mm's, Soligor is the least sharp lens (kind of disappointed and surprised. It is one of the fewer MF lenses that I feel no matter how I focus, I can't make the impage in focus). Spiratone 85mm/1.7 seems very sharp in my memory. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
The Super-Takumar 85mm 1:1.9 is a more interesting lens, mainly because it is less well behaved than the S-M-C 85mm 1.8 or the M 85mm 1:2 _________________ pentaxian |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
The Super-Takumar 85mm 1:1.9 is a more interesting lens, mainly because it is less well behaved than the S-M-C 85mm 1.8 or the M 85mm 1:2 |
And easier to focus with optical viewfinder. On Canon 5D with fast focus screen it pops into focus. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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visualopsins wrote:
vivaldibow wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
vivaldibow wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
Don't own Takumar 85mm, but for all the 85mms that I've casually compared, including
Nikon 85mm/1.8/2
Canon fd 85mm/1.8
Pentax-M 85mm/2
Olympus 85mm/2
Vivitar 85mm/1.8, Soligor 85mm/1.8, Spiratone 85mm/1.7
I have yet to find one really standing out. Certainly, most of them are very good in general to my taste. Next 85mm on my searching list is Minolta, Helios, or relatively modern Rokinon 85mm/1.4 (also branded as Vivitar series 1, samyang, etc.) |
Are you saying there is no discernible difference between those lenses so you can't compare others with Pentax-M 85mm/2? |
Not really. I dug my old post and found I said I liked Pentax M 85mm better than Nikon 85mm/1.8 and Canon 85mm/1.8. Olympus' 85mm seems to have a busier bokeh (but it is probably at certain situations). For those third party 85mm's, Soligor is the least sharp lens (kind of disappointed and surprised. It is one of the fewer MF lenses that I feel no matter how I focus, I can't make the impage in focus). Spiratone 85mm/1.7 seems very sharp in my memory. |
Can you post old post link here for reference, please? _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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stevemark wrote:
vivaldibow wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm curious about this Pentax-M lens. I've had a SMC Takumar 85/1.8 before, and it was excellent. Did anybody ever compare the two? |
Don't own Takumar 85mm, but for all the 85mms that I've casually compared, including
Nikon 85mm/1.8/2
Canon fd 85mm/1.8
Pentax-M 85mm/2
Olympus 85mm/2
Vivitar 85mm/1.8, Soligor 85mm/1.8, Spiratone 85mm/1.7
I have yet to find one really standing out. Certainly, most of them are very good in general to my taste. |
Some years ago I've been comparing some of my vintage fast 85mm:
Canon FD 1.8/85mm
Canon nFD 1.8/85mm
Minolta MC-II 1.7/85mm
Minolta MD 1.7/85mm
Minolta MD-II 2/85mm
Nikon "K-Series" 1.8/85mm
For landscape photography, all but the MD 2/85mm were very similar.
The MD 2/85mm had more contrast wide open, especially in the outer field.
So yes, the MD 2/85mm stands out to some extent.
In the mean time I got also other lenses such as the Konica AR 1.8/85mm and the Mamiya Sekor SX 1.7/85mm. Those two lenses are a bit different from the f1.8 an f1.7 lenses mentioned before; they have less lateral CAs and more "vintage look" wide open. Stopped down to f5.6 or f8 both are excellent performers.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 837
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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vivaldibow wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Can you post old post link here for reference, please? |
Here is the post for Pentax M 85mm
http://forum.mflenses.com/pentax-m-85mm-f-2-t81543,highlight,%2Bpentax+%2B85mm+%2Bf2.html
Here is the post for Vivitar 85mm
http://forum.mflenses.com/tele-vivitar-85mm-f-1-8-t80513,highlight,%2Bvivitar+%2B85mm.html |
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 837
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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vivaldibow wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Some years ago I've been comparing some of my vintage fast 85mm:
Canon FD 1.8/85mm
Canon nFD 1.8/85mm
Minolta MC-II 1.7/85mm
Minolta MD 1.7/85mm
Minolta MD-II 2/85mm
Nikon "K-Series" 1.8/85mm
For landscape photography, all but the MD 2/85mm were very similar.
The MD 2/85mm had more contrast wide open, especially in the outer field.
So yes, the MD 2/85mm stands out to some extent.
In the mean time I got also other lenses such as the Konica AR 1.8/85mm and the Mamiya Sekor SX 1.7/85mm. Those two lenses are a bit different from the f1.8 an f1.7 lenses mentioned before; they have less lateral CAs and more "vintage look" wide open. Stopped down to f5.6 or f8 both are excellent performers.
S |
Thanks for the info. Minolta 85mm's seem to have higher price than the rest. Don't know Konica and Mamiya SX. They are less common as well. When you say more "vintage look", what characters were you referring to? |
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jamaeolus
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:12 am Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Plus 1 for the Konica. I really like mine. I also really like the Pancolar. I can't speak to the Pentax M but I think the Konica is overall better than the Takumar 1.8 and 1.9 lenses that I have. I have not done side by sides with them though.... _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2926 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Lots of info guys, thank you. I guess the Pentax M is 'just another' 85mm lens. |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2926 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
Plus 1 for the Konica. I really like mine. I also really like the Pancolar. I can't speak to the Pentax M but I think the Konica is overall better than the Takumar 1.8 and 1.9 lenses that I have. I have not done side by sides with them though.... |
I did a test two years ago between the Sony 85/1.8 and the Super Multi Coated Takumar 85/1.8. To my surprise I could hardly tell the difference. Camera was my old A7 though, maybe on my A7R2 it would show. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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stevemark wrote:
vivaldibow wrote: |
Thanks for the info. Minolta 85mm's seem to have higher price than the rest. Don't know Konica and Mamiya SX. They are less common as well. When you say more "vintage look", what characters were you referring to? |
I should be able to make a few comparing images tomorrow, say with the two Minoltas (1.7/85 and 2/85), the Konica AR and the Mamiya SX. That should clarify it. Wether is really boring and "grey" here now, so don't expect any artwork
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 837
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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vivaldibow wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
jamaeolus wrote: |
Plus 1 for the Konica. I really like mine. I also really like the Pancolar. I can't speak to the Pentax M but I think the Konica is overall better than the Takumar 1.8 and 1.9 lenses that I have. I have not done side by sides with them though.... |
I did a test two years ago between the Sony 85/1.8 and the Super Multi Coated Takumar 85/1.8. To my surprise I could hardly tell the difference. Camera was my old A7 though, maybe on my A7R2 it would show. |
I haven't compared Sony 85mm/1.8 with my vintage 85mm. For me, I use Sony just because of the AF speed that I need sometimes. Otherwise, I stick to vintage lenses. |
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vivaldibow
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax-M 85mm f/2 |
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vivaldibow wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
vivaldibow wrote: |
Thanks for the info. Minolta 85mm's seem to have higher price than the rest. Don't know Konica and Mamiya SX. They are less common as well. When you say more "vintage look", what characters were you referring to? |
I should be able to make a few comparing images tomorrow, say with the two Minoltas (1.7/85 and 2/85), the Konica AR and the Mamiya SX. That should clarify it. Wether is really boring and "grey" here now, so don't expect any artwork
S |
Cool. Thanks. |
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