Leitz Telyt 560mm f/5.6

[dickb]

I was playing around with a Leitz Telyt 560mm f/5.6 that a friend of mine wants me to sell:

at f/5.6


at f/6.8


It is a large lens, but relatively lightweight with its two element design. The Televit R focussing system is a little different from the Novoflex PiGriff I am used to, but it works very well when used on a tripod. I remember reading a long time ago that people preferred the later f/6.8 version of the lens, but this f/5.6 looks pretty good to me. The f/6.8 is smaller and more lightweight though. A comparison of the two lenses, both shot at f/6.8 on my Sony A7.

560/5.6 at f/6.8


560/6.8 at f/6.8

[marcusBMG]

Nice.
I have actually just acquired a novoflex 600mm f8 optical/iris unit to try out on my pigriff.

Am I right in thinking that the 560mm can go on a pigriff?

[dickb]

[marcusBMG]

Thanks for that useful info dickb. So from what you say the connection of at least the 560/6.8 is a pigriff compatible bayonet. That would suit both my "B" and "C" pigriffs (only the 1st gen "A"s are a screw connection).
I wrote the novoflex description on PF:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/novoflex-noflexar-modular-pigriff-system-240mm-300mm-400mm-600mm-64cm.html

This pic by Horst Neuhaus illustrates the modular parts of a "B" system.



However the "B" 600mm I havehas more sections than shown.

[dickb]

[dickb]

And a quick shot with the 560/5.6 out of my office window, onto the flat roof where oystercatchers raise their young:

[marcusBMG]

Nice.
I'll try and post a pic or two with the 600mm f8, when I've cleaned the optic and the sun comes out....

And thanks for the good info, i have amended the descriptions on PF.

[dickb]

I just did a quick test of a fairly boring wall, with the following lenses:

- Leitz Televit R with Telyt 400/5.6
- Leitz Televit R with Telyt 560/5.6
- Novoflex Pigriff D with Telyt 560/6.8
- Novoflex Pigriff D with T-Noflexar 400/5.6
- Novoflex Pigriff D with Noflexar 600/8.0

If there is interest I can post some of those, but looking at them on my monitor my conclusions are (bear in mind, these are all just one copy of old used lenses, YMMV):

All Leitz lenses are already very good wide open, the Noflexars improve a lot by stopping down at least one stop, especially the 600 is rather poor at f/8
The 560 Telyts are just about at equal at the same apertures, and the f/5.6 variant is already very good at f/5.6 - this surprised me a bit as I remember reading the f/6.8 being clearly superior to the older f/5.6.

Some more examples taken with the 560/5.6 and my Sony A7, the first two show off the beautiful round many bladed aperture

#1 at f/5.6


#2 at f/8


#3 at f/5.6, some vignetting, possibly caused by my Metabones EF/E adapter


#4 not sure which aperture

[camelspider13]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this Forum. My Name is Alex and I'm from germany and seeking for a littlebit of help with the Novoflex and telyt 560/6.8 head. The head is mounted to the Leitz slidetube and the televit r focusing unit. I saw the Picture of dickb with the Novoflex and telyt head is disassembled like the original Picture of the pigriff b. What size is the tube (length, diameter, and thread size what goes in the head) and the stepdown Ring at the head. Its a very useful and rare picture at the web. I owning the pigriff-b, pigriff-c and the pigriff-d. The pigriff-d is complete different and how you mount the lens. Thanks in advance alex

[dickb]

[camelspider13]

Hello dickb, thanks for the reply. I hope it´s ok, that i have used your picture to show you the tube what i need or the measurements of it.


#1


This pictures shows the original pigriff-d from novoflex and how the lenses are mounted. The iris is not detachable! You have got a bayonet connection instead of the breechlock mount of the pigriff-c.
#1


#2


#3

[camelspider13]

Sorry, I forgot to atache a picture of my leitz lens.....but, here we go!
#1


#2


#3


And I also have got the modified telyt 260 what fits in the televit grip.

Greets Alex

[dickb]

[dickb]

[camelspider13]

Hello dickb, Thank you very much!!!
You have helped me a lot with the sizes, but there is a difference between your telyt head and mine.
My telyt head is only 127,5mm long.
I think the difference between both heads depend on the ring at the rear side of yours.
I guess it´s a stepdown ring....You wrote that the thread is 86mm, I messured on my one a thread size diameter of 87mm and a pitch of 0.8mm.
The ring has to be a littlebit wider as the head to prevent that the lens hood slides off.

Now I try to awnser your question.
Lets start from the rear, the breechlock ring have got a diameter of 67mm, thread is 63,9 and it have the same pitch of 0,8mm.
There is a short tube mounted on the sliding part, where the tripodmount is atached.
I dont know, is it a original leitz part or not.
I just bought the whole stuff how it is and there is no chance to ask the preowner because he passed away and his daughter just sold the equippment. The lenght of the tube is 36mm with inner and outer thread, the inner diameter is 59mm.
The tube at the head is only 62,5mm long without the thread what goes into the head. With thread it measures 67,5mm. I dont know if you can reach infinity with this combination, I didn´t checked it yet. Best regards Alex

[dickb]

[camelspider13]

Hello dickb, I found this page too...but the Info what I receveived from you is way better!
The D-ring won´t fit on the telyt directly, you need the small tube with the right thread size.
The D-ring have got a thread size of 77,5mm and a pitch of 0.8mm.
I will visit a friend of mine, he have got a machine park by his own including cnc and wire EDM.
Maybe he can make some parts.....like the tube and some mounting rings for novoflex and the leitz system.
If it´s possible, I will let you know.
Greets Alex

[dickb]

[camelspider13]

Yes, I try to mount the telyt onto the novoflex pigriff-c or d....

At the moment, I prefer the pigriff over the televit, but it depend on the purpose.
Without a tripod I would choose the pigriff with pistock, on a tripod, the televit.
Both are heavy plus heavy camera. In my case the canon 7d.
I used the pigriff the last weekend for the first time, at an airshow in south germany and the results are qiute decent.

#1

It was shot with the 600mm lens and an aperture of 11 on the pigriff-d.

[dickb]

I see. Both systems take a bit of getting used to and I used to prefer the PiGriff when used handheld, but if you get to grips with the thumbwheel of the Televit that works well too, perhaps even better. Now I use both systems almost exclusively on a tripod and wide open, so the PiGriff D or Televit is the more precise option.

[dickb]

Anyway, if anyone is interested in the Leitz 560/5.6 and 400/5.6 combo, I've now put it up for sale again:

http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1529560.html#1529560

I was tempted to buy it for myself, but my lens collection is already rather excessive.