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jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:20 pm Post subject: Takumar 28mm or 35mm? |
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jhayashileite wrote:
Hello everyone
I am looking for a wide-angle M42 lens, since I have too much 50mm lenses. I use both film and digital. I've come across two interesting lenses in shops here in São Paulo. Both are Takumars. First one is a 28mm f3.5, not sure if it's a Super or a SMC, and the other one is a 35mm f3.5, and I have the option of an Auto Takumar or a later model, Super or SMC, not sure as well.
I'd like to hear from those of you who have these lenses or have used them, to help me know more about them and to decide which one to buy.
Thank you
Josué _________________ @hayashileite
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1301 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
Hola Josue
The reviews on Pentax Forums suggest that the later 28's tend to be better than the taks. I have the "K" 28mm f3.5 and it is very good, and the "M" 28mm f3.5 is in fact almost as good. But I haven't tried the tak to offer a personal opinion.
I have an auto takumar 35mm f3.5, this lens in all its variations is consistently highly regarded, and certainly mine is a very good lens, a more consistent performer than my vivitar 35mm (komine) and much better than tokina made variants I have tried (T4/TX mount ones). Certainly I would suggest you can't go wrong with the tak 35mm. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10462 Location: California
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
The M42 Super- and Super-Multi-Coated 28mm/3.5 is the better lens optically, imho, compared to M42 Super- and Super-Multi-Coated 35mm/3.5. That is not to say the 35mm are not great lenses. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
marcusBMG wrote: |
Hola Josue
The reviews on Pentax Forums suggest that the later 28's tend to be better than the taks. I have the "K" 28mm f3.5 and it is very good, and the "M" 28mm f3.5 is in fact almost as good. But I haven't tried the tak to offer a personal opinion.
I have an auto takumar 35mm f3.5, this lens in all its variations is consistently highly regarded, and certainly mine is a very good lens, a more consistent performer than my vivitar 35mm (komine) and much better than tokina made variants I have tried (T4/TX mount ones). Certainly I would suggest you can't go wrong with the tak 35mm. |
I also have the Auto Takumar 35mm f3.5, sweet little lens, I actually prefer it over my Flektogon. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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Sciolist
Joined: 29 Mar 2017 Posts: 1445 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sciolist wrote:
Get the 3.5 35. Actually buy both, then you'll know how good the 35 is. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I have both the s-m-c 28mm 3.5 and the super-takumar 3.5. I like the 35 best. It is tack sharp and has great colour rendition. _________________ pentaxian |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I have the early ST 28/3.5, and S-M-C 28/3.5 the early has more character, and the S-M-C has better performance.
I've never really liked my ST 35/3.5, I'd rather have the 35/2. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:46 am Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I recommend the "both" option as well. They shouldn't be that expensive. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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quietsome
Joined: 09 May 2019 Posts: 13
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:03 am Post subject: |
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quietsome wrote:
I don't have the 35mm, but I do have the Super-Tak 28/3.5. It's one of my favourite lenses. Smooth as butter, easy to use (like all Taks really), nice and sharp. No-one has mentioned it, but this one does produce hexagonal orange flaring in the frame at times. I like this "feature" of the lens, as the orange hexagons look really nice, but it's not for everyone. |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1747
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 3:14 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
The Tak 35mm f3.5 is very highly regarded. I would say it is approaching cult status, a "must have" lens. |
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jhayashileite
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 29 Location: São Paulo, Brasil
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 3:37 am Post subject: |
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jhayashileite wrote:
Hello everyone
Thanks a lot for all the replies and suggestions, even though they make my choice seem harder.
I confess that I've been more tempted to go for the Auto Takumar 35, due to some sort of collectible factor, its small size and different aperture system. Does this system work like a preset aperture? I have a SMC 50 and the switch along with the pins kinda piss me off, forcing me to take the lens apart to make it full manual, the way I like.
By the way, how do the colours behave in photos with these lenses? I have the 50 and I'm used to seeing nice strong colours, with the yellow cast due to the radioactive glass, but I don't think these lenses are radioactive. I'd love to see your photos with these lenses.
Again, thanks for everything.
Josué _________________ @hayashileite
24, São Paulo, Brasil |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
jhayashileite wrote: |
Hello everyone
Thanks a lot for all the replies and suggestions, even though they make my choice seem harder.
I confess that I've been more tempted to go for the Auto Takumar 35, due to some sort of collectible factor, its small size and different aperture system. Does this system work like a preset aperture? I have a SMC 50 and the switch along with the pins kinda piss me off, forcing me to take the lens apart to make it full manual, the way I like.
By the way, how do the colours behave in photos with these lenses? I have the 50 and I'm used to seeing nice strong colours, with the yellow cast due to the radioactive glass, but I don't think these lenses are radioactive. I'd love to see your photos with these lenses.
Again, thanks for everything.
Josué |
From Pentaxforums.com: The 35mm F3.5 M42 screwmount lens was introduced in 1959 as an Auto-Takumar and the optical design remained unchanged all the way to a K-mount version!
They are all automatic lenses, so no preset aperture. Here's my album with the super-takumar 35mm 1:3.5 https://www.flickr.com/photos/randomdump/albums/72157631594722413 _________________ pentaxian |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10462 Location: California
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
jhayashileite wrote: |
Hello everyone
Thanks a lot for all the replies and suggestions, even though they make my choice seem harder.
I confess that I've been more tempted to go for the Auto Takumar 35, due to some sort of collectible factor, its small size and different aperture system. Does this system work like a preset aperture? I have a SMC 50 and the switch along with the pins kinda piss me off, forcing me to take the lens apart to make it full manual, the way I like.
By the way, how do the colours behave in photos with these lenses? I have the 50 and I'm used to seeing nice strong colours, with the yellow cast due to the radioactive glass, but I don't think these lenses are radioactive. I'd love to see your photos with these lenses.
Again, thanks for everything.
Josué |
The auto takumar version switch operates differently from a/m and auto/man switches. The auto version switch "cocks" the aperture spring; pressing the pin on rear of lens the spring closes the aperture to ring setting. Some people (me) find this awkward. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Mike Deep
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 316 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Deep wrote:
The Tak 35 is a tremendous lens.
_________________ Rocket Launch Photography
Olympus: 24/2.8 MC, 28/3.5, 28/2.8 MC, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 50/1.8, 50/1.4 MC, 35-70/3.6, 75-150/4
Nikon: C 24/2.8, AI-S 28/2.8, K 35/2.8, F 55/3.5, F 105/2.5, F 135/2.8, F 200/4, No. 5T
Pentax: 28/3.5, 35/3.5, 50/1.4 (v1), 50/1.4 (v2), M 50/1.4, SMC 55/1.8, 105/2.8, SMC 135/3.5, 150/4
Tamron: SP 17/3.5 151B, 135/2.8 T-135, SP 300/2.8 60B, SP 35-80/2.8-3.8 01A, 80-210/3.8-4 103A, SP 1.4x TC 140F, SP 2x TC 01F
Vivitar: 24/2 (Kino), 28/2 (Kino), 50/1.4 (Cosina), S1 90/2.5 (Tokina), S1 28-80/2.8-3.5 (Kino), 70-150/3.8 (Kino), S1 70-210/3.5 (Kino), 2x Macro TC
Etc: Yashica 3.5cm/2.8, Fujinon 50/1.4, Yashica ML 50/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Mamiya/Sekor 55/1.7, Sigma 90/2.8
That's a lot of 50s. |
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Blazer0ne
Joined: 12 Sep 2018 Posts: 836
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Takumar 28mm or 35mm? |
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PhantomLord
Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 476 Location: Szczecin, Poland
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Takumar 28mm or 35mm? |
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PhantomLord wrote:
Blazer0ne wrote: |
If they are the same buy one now, and regret not buying the other. Then buy the other. |
It's so true that I cannot stop laughing .
Obviously I understand financial limits, but I usually end up buying too many lenses with a bit of help from credit card. Using, comparing and in the end selling the spare ones to pay up the debt. _________________ Mateusz
No good story ever starts with drinking tea.
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mateuszmolik/sets/ |
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quietsome
Joined: 09 May 2019 Posts: 13
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:25 am Post subject: |
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quietsome wrote:
Just quickly checking flea-bay, the Tak 35 is fairly pricey these days. I enjoy my 28/3.5 and also enjoy the much lower prices |
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y
Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Posts: 304 Location: EU
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:27 am Post subject: |
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y wrote:
S-M-C Takumar 28/3.5 is a nice lens but don't expect a "landscape killer". It's an old design with softish crorners at f/11 even on a crop.
Pentax K 28/3.5 is in a completely different league.
http://forum.mflenses.com/four-landscape-28-3-5-ff-test-t80328.html |
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quietsome
Joined: 09 May 2019 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:29 am Post subject: |
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quietsome wrote:
Yep. The Pentax K 28/3.5 is the one I'd really love to get. Not easy to find or cheap. |
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dbuergi
Joined: 30 Sep 2015 Posts: 102 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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dbuergi wrote:
I was lucky to get the 28mm 3.5 K earlier this year and is definetly a very good lens.
A detailed review can be found here:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-pentax-k-smc-28mm-13-5/ _________________ Follow me on Instagram @danyelbfoto
Visit my youtube channel about watches and photography:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTovFaSeg8Gsvz-h9U8Fo4g/ |
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