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Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 102 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:10 am Post subject: Followup: 1966 Canon 28mm FL vs. 2012 Canon 28mm EF |
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folderholder wrote:
I apologize in advance if this is boring to anyone. After enjoying the Canon 35mm f/3.5 FD yesterday, I went looking around that same shelf for any other similar lenses and came across a Canon FL 28mm f/3.5. To make a longer story shorter, I ran a few comparisons between this lens (first released in 1966!) and a recent Canon EF 28mm f/2.8 IS. The FL lens is a 7 element lens with 6 diaphragm blades. The EF has 10 elements and 8 blades.
The lighting on the test subject was a friendly one for the old lens as I kept the sun at my back. The camera was, like yesterday, a Canon M6. Interestingly, the two lenses weigh about the same and are around the same size. My observations are that 1) it is amazing how consistent Canon has kept the colors its lenses produce over a half century* and 2) in terms of depth and 3D effect, I prefer the old lens' rendering to the new one in at least some respects — especially the 35mm f/3.5 FD I used yesterday.
Final notes: yesterday I took a candid portrait of my 18 year-old son with the 35mm FD lens (45mm equivalent on full frame). It produced a combination of sharpness, graceful tonality and dimensionality that was really extraordinary — as good as any lens I have ever used including Zeiss, as well as Canon. My wife said it looked like a frame from a movie. Unfortunately, my son doesn't want me to post it so you have to take my word on this. And remember that a M6 is a crop sensor camera so results might be very different on a full frame.
*The M6 was set to neutral picture style so the colors should be the product of the lenses, not the camera.
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_________________ Best wishes,
Peter
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10539 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:22 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Better to compare at same aperture imho. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
(canon eos M6 = 24MPx apsc)
Well that's nice - an old lens holding its own against a modern one. I've tried adaptalls, sigma miniwides, tokinas et al and overall I've gone a bit off vintage 28mm as tending to not offer that much more than a kit lens (specifically in terms of resolution) on average. I do like both my viv 28mm 1,9 and my pentax K 28mm 3.5 though.
Thanks for the wide open comparison. Is there much improvement stopping down? _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
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Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 102 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:55 am Post subject: |
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folderholder wrote:
[quote="visualopsins"]Better to compare at same aperture imho.[/quote]
The aperture markings on the two lenses don't match, so one lens at f/6.3 might give the same exposure as the other at f/8, shutter speed being constant. Both of these photos are shot at marked f/8, it is the shutter speed that is adjusted to give similar exposures.
Thinking more about the results, this small comparison suggests how much older lenses might benefit from crop sensor cameras. Lopping off the edges and keeping only the central portion of the image may highlight their strengths and cover up a lot of weaknesses. The strengths can be pretty nice. They certainly are to me. _________________ Best wishes,
Peter
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