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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:46 am Post subject: Compact lens for Sony NEX/ Canon M-50 |
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440roadrunner wrote:
Hi, I have not been here in years. I used to hang with the defunct "Manual Focus Forum" and am very familiar with adapting to the Canon EF mount DSLRs and in fact have modified some lenses such as Sig mirror lenses, and old Canon FD, etc, plus usual import adapters
Now I have both a Sony NEX and a Canon M-50 I have a couple adapters for the NEX including "'to" Canon EF but it won't autofocus. For the M-50 I have a Canon FD adapter as well as a Canon EF adapter. So I can already adapt my "usual array" of old lenses
This is more about keeping things lighter, shorter, and compact. The question is
What SHORT REGISTER lenses (such as rangefinder, maybe Leica RV??) are available for reasonable cost, which can be adapted with available Chinese/ Fotodiox/ etc adapters to either or both the NEX and the Canon M?
"I'm thinking" something 24--40mm etc? |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:03 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
I don't know what you consider to be reasonable.
Tiny RF lenses are usually more expensive and provide worse corner performance on modern digital cameras compared to SLR lenses.
I don't know anything about your Canon M but Sony NEX cameras usually suffer from corner smearing and sometimes also color cast in the edges with wide angle RF lenses.
Would therefore recommend to look for smaller SLR lenses such as e.g. the Minolta MD 35/2.8 or alike. However, these lenses in combination with the required adapter will always be much bigger compared to any RF lens....
My solution to have a small pocketable camera/lens combination for travelling and hiking was to acquire a Panasonic Lumix GX80/85 with the 12-32mm pancake lens.
Available for apprx. the same budget like required for one single focus RF lens.
Just something to consider as well...... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Blazer0ne
Joined: 12 Sep 2018 Posts: 836
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Compact lens for Sony NEX/ Canon M-50 |
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blotafton wrote:
Industar 69
Jupiter 12, this one may not fit aps-c cameras.
Olympus Pen lenses. 40mm 1.4 for example.
Nokton 35 or 40mm 1.4.
Or enlarging lenses. Componon 35mm, Rodagon 35mm, CE Rokkor 30mm. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Compact lens for Sony NEX/ Canon M-50 |
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tb_a wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
Nokton 35 or 40mm 1.4. |
The Nokton 40/1.4 is certainly a good and very compact lens.
I've introduced this lens here: http://forum.mflenses.com/voigtlander-nokton-40mm-f1-4-on-sony-a7r-ii-t79831.html
However, the rather weak outer corner performance will also apply on most cameras, particularly on the NEX. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
The 7artisans 35mm F1.2 is a compact lens for mirrorless (APS-C coverage no FF) It's not expensive. _________________ pentaxian |
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Dusty-Lens
Joined: 23 Feb 2020 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dusty-Lens wrote:
I would recommend the Pergear 35mm f/1.2. This way you skip the size and weight of the adapter. The lens is available in native mounts for both your Sony and Canon cameras. It is an aps-c lens so it is small and light at 210 grams and 48mm x 53mm. I have tested all Chinese aps-c 35mm f/1.2 and the Pergear was the best in my opinion. |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Super- or Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 35mm f/3.5. Very small. |
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Dusty-Lens
Joined: 23 Feb 2020 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dusty-Lens wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Super- or Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 35mm f/3.5. Very small. |
I second that and it's M42 FF so it can be adapted to almost all FF, APS-C and M4/3 cameras if you decide to use a different camera at some moment.
The Pergear is much smaller without the adapter so I recommended it, but I use the SMC Takumar 35mm f/3.5 instead of it myself as I shoot on FF and also don't need a fast 35mm lens. In my opinion it has the best rendering out of all 35mm Takumars. Here is a video where they were compared directly in several settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjwRUi3jfQ
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I agree with Thomas re RF lenses. Amongst SLR lenses Olympus OM are almost all quite tiny and perform remarkably well. Many are not that expensive. If shooting a crop NEX I definitely recommend the Pen F lenses. The 38 1.8 is relatively inexpensive and looks like it was made for the camera. It takes fantastic photos and is pretty tiny. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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440roadrunner wrote:
Thanks VERY much for the replies. I'll have to search and digest all this. I do have some OM and Minolta lenses the Minolta from back in the day I owned that line of cameras. I know I have an OM 28mm and it is not very big. The OM, tho, is a rather "long" focus register so the adapter is quite thick on either camera. I don't remember how much shorter the Minoltas are.
..............Here we go.........
https://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html
According to this, OM is 45mm, longer than an M42 or Pentax K EG
Canon EOS (EF) is 44mm
and Minolta MD is 43.72, so not a tremendous difference.
I was excited when I saw the RF was 28, much shorter.
Off we go to check all this out |
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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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440roadrunner wrote:
One of my projects a few years back. Canon FL 19mm modified (helix re-positioned) to fit Canon EF
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 835
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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vivaldibow wrote:
I would vote for Nikon 45mm 2.8 pancake. Low profile and decent enough performance. |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Industar 69 is quite tiny, it usually requires a mod to reach infinity with a LTM adapter, you can mod either the lens or adapter to correct the helicoid limitation/registration distance, modding the lens turns it into LTM, modding the adapter makes the adapter into a fixed use item.
This lens will cause magenta sides/corners on my NEX-7, I switched to B&W, centre was sharp, then gets soft further out.
Canon S 35/2.8 LTM, my silver copy is nearly as tiny as the Industar 69, way nicer IQ, works fine on my NEX-7 & A7r, 2 of the most picky sensors Sony has made.
Canon S28/2.8, it's about as big as the Industar, but covers FF, it also causes magenta corners on both my NEX-7 & A7r, I expect it to perform better on BSI sensors.
I do like my OM 21/3.5 on my NEX-7, not quite as small as the above lenses, but it was the widest /smallest lens I had till I got the Voigtlander 15.
OLYMPUS Pen F 43/1.8, 40/1.4 Like a small SLR lens, ergonomics are nicer than some FR lenses.
My absolute favourite lens on my NEX-7 is my Leica M 28/2.8 Elmarit v2, Mandler magic.
Topcor-S 50/2 LTM is a nice sharp lens. Same with Super Rokkor 50/2 & 45/2.8 LTM.
Blazer0ne wrote: |
Tokyo Kogaku Topcor-S 50mm F/2. There is also a f/1.8 copy on eBay, which I have never seen listed before . |
Link for the f1.8? _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Another contender could be the Mamiya E 28mm f/2.8. There is also a Revuenon version that you can find cheaper. Very light and compact lens and a good performer.
There is a photodiox pro adapter available in order to control the aperture. |
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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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440roadrunner wrote:
LOL!!! Ironically I did "re-find" and finally identify a lens I've had for awhile, but unfortunately the adapter(s) are fairly expensive. It's a "less than pristine" Zeiss Planar Contrex 50mm 1:2 and these have no aperture hardware in the lens, therefore the aperture must be in the adapter (or camera) These seem to be worth a bit of money, I may sell it instead. Since it is 50mm, I already have numerous other 50-55mm that are pretty fair, but this one would sure be bragging rights LOL
Photo I stole off the 'net:
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:58 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Other people have mentioned Industar 69. Its a very versatile little thing, but rather odd.
Its got an interesting look, very much a film camera effect. It works great on APS-C mirrorless.
My experience with it - http://forum.mflenses.com/industar-69-28-2-8-on-aps-c-t78589,highlight,%2Bindustar.html
Other option is the generic 25mm f/1.8 C-mount lenses from China. The corners are bad, but they are very small and you do get f/1.8. A good walk-around lens.
http://forum.mflenses.com/fujian-25mm-f-1-8-c-mount-for-aps-c-t77634,highlight,%2B25mm.html
Both options are very cheap. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
TTArtisan lenses are small yet fast for aps-c cameras.
https://en.ttartisan.com/?list_10/ _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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eggplant
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
The price of a SMC Takumar 35mm 3.5, you'll be well on your way to being able to go for a faster 35mm from China-based manufacturers. I wouldn't discount not needing the speed, particularly if you just want one small, do it all lens. |
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Ernst Dinkla
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 378
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Compact lens for Sony NEX/ Canon M-50 |
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
440roadrunner wrote: |
Hi, I have not been here in years. I used to hang with the defunct "Manual Focus Forum" and am very familiar with adapting to the Canon EF mount DSLRs and in fact have modified some lenses such as Sig mirror lenses, and old Canon FD, etc, plus usual import adapters
Now I have both a Sony NEX and a Canon M-50 I have a couple adapters for the NEX including "'to" Canon EF but it won't autofocus. For the M-50 I have a Canon FD adapter as well as a Canon EF adapter. So I can already adapt my "usual array" of old lenses
This is more about keeping things lighter, shorter, and compact. The question is
What SHORT REGISTER lenses (such as rangefinder, maybe Leica RV??) are available for reasonable cost, which can be adapted with available Chinese/ Fotodiox/ etc adapters to either or both the NEX and the Canon M?
"I'm thinking" something 24--40mm etc? |
Salvaged analog compact camera lenses converted to NEX mount. Like shown here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62599677 To that four I added a Petri 45mm 1.8, a Minolta 45mm 1.8 and a Kowa 50mm 2.0 which was a fixed lens to an early Kowa SLR so less compact.
Some brands have a 40mm 1.7 on the compacts which has a good reputation. Konica, Minolta, Vivitar, Revue.
You can find an already converted lens on Ebay, the Yashinon DX 45mm 1.7 is quite often available and mine is good on FF but will be even better on APS edge to edge.
In case you have access to a 3D printer: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3902440 _________________ Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
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