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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:30 pm Post subject: Pancolar 75mm 1.4 |
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blotafton wrote:
I didn't know about this. Not strange if it's true that only 20 were made. And check that price tag!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Zeiss-1-4-75mm-Pancolar-M42-one-of-the-rarest-Zeiss-Lens-only-20x-made/264195414164?hash=item3d83461894:g:SzoAAOSwt6hcZHvr:rk:24:pf:0
Anyone here that have seen one in person? |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:37 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Never seen one. It's really hard to determine a proper price tag for this kind of items, because they are so rare. |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Never seen one. It's really hard to determine a proper price tag for this kind of items, because they are so rare. |
That explains the insane price tag, to see if anyone is willing to buy at that price, it's called fishing, if there are no bites, they will have to lower the price or try again some other day.
Another seller fishing for a buyer here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-35MM-SUMMILUX-M-F1-4-AA-SILVER-CHROME-ASPHERICAL-PROTOTYPE-11873-LENS-1-1/283357562194 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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y
Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Posts: 304 Location: EU
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Pancolar 75mm 1.4 |
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y wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
Anyone here that have seen one in person? |
It's a rare lens. A few of them are kept at museumlike collections. Thus it's kinda hard to see actual pictures taken with it.
A pair is accessible here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/137731928@N08/albums/72157687231084106 |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Haha, rediculous. But always worth trying |
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thebbm
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 295 Location: France montpellier
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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thebbm wrote:
whaaaat the hell 750 000 $ for a lens. the price of a superbe big house
The seller is just crazy
ebay& paypal will take a huge commission if he sell it |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
thebbm wrote: |
whaaaat the hell 750 000 $ for a lens. the price of a superbe big house
The seller is just crazy
ebay& paypal will take a huge commission if he sell it |
Only $17,001.75 now! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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frenched
Joined: 16 Feb 2013 Posts: 394 Location: MD USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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frenched wrote:
Just happened to see this today too. I suggest we take up a collection and buy it as a group, then take turns using it. I'll take the first turn. _________________ "Lenses are to be looked through, not looked at."
--Carl Zess Technical Support
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e6filmuser
Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 488 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Only $17,001.75 now! |
What is the $1.75 for? _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
Only $17,001.75 now! |
What is the $1.75 for? |
Puts it out of reach for those who can afford only $17000, I guess... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
The most important but unanswered question: Why did Zeiss build only 20 copies?
No doubt something went wrong there. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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Ernst Dinkla
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 378
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Given the bokeh in the few samples shown I find it nicer than the Biotar 75mm 1.5 or any other Biotar + clones. Maybe the Biotar sold good enough for Zeiss at the time.
Based on the links in this thread http://forum.mflenses.com/czj-pancolar-14-75mm-versus-biotar-15-75mm-t51946.html a final price of 6000 is now not unlikely.
7 elements in 7 groups according this site: https://lens-db.com/carl-zeiss-jena-pancolar-75mm-f14-1967/
Must be expensive in production, one wonders why that complexity in 1967, coatings still not at the best levels.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst _________________ Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I doubt reason for small batch were high manufacture costs. If so, no zooms would be ever produced. I guess despite being an Eastern Bloc country the concept of exclusivity and elite was also very well present. _________________ ---------------------------------
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y
Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Posts: 304 Location: EU
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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y wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
I doubt reason for small batch were high manufacture costs. If so, no zooms would be ever produced. I guess despite being an Eastern Bloc country the concept of exclusivity and elite was also very well present. |
This lens belongs to the highend Pentacon Super system. The camera itself arrived too late to make an impact on already saturated international SLR market (10 years after Nikon F, 6 years after Topcon RE, 5 after Spotmatic). For the GDR market it was extremely costly. It seems it was quickly decided not to invest in evolving the system further - this is somehow similar to Contarex's fate... |
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Ernst Dinkla
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 378
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
I doubt reason for small batch were high manufacture costs. If so, no zooms would be ever produced. I guess despite being an Eastern Bloc country the concept of exclusivity and elite was also very well present. |
That small batch, 20 pieces, is not a normal production run. Possibly only made to test the lens in practice, to check what real production cost could become or for marketing purposes. If the last existed in the GDR.
The reason why there never were real production runs has an answer already in the other reply.
met vriendelijke groet, Ernst _________________ Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1101
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Never seen one. It's really hard to determine a proper price tag for this kind of items, because they are so rare. |
That's right , imagine that lens 50 years from now on....... |
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frenched
Joined: 16 Feb 2013 Posts: 394 Location: MD USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:29 am Post subject: |
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frenched wrote:
Gerald wrote: |
The most important but unanswered question: Why did Zeiss build only 20 copies?
No doubt something went wrong there. |
It was probably a special order from someone somewhere with a fat wallet for whatever reason. Remember that crazy f/0.7 they built for NASA that Stanley Kubrick picked up for his film "Barry Lyndon"? They built only 10 of those. _________________ "Lenses are to be looked through, not looked at."
--Carl Zess Technical Support
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