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ZOOM 70-150 WHICH?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:


This is a lens that sold new in 1979 for 45,000 yen.
That is over $15,000 in today's money


Are you sure ...?? Wink

Actually the lens was listed in the large (>200pages) official Canon Lens Book from the 1980s as a budget lens.

Stephan


PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't forget the Nikon Series E 75-150mm. Sample:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gaeger2/35383003290/


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


Unless i am badly mistaken, 45000 yen would be closer to 450,00$


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
gaeger wrote:
Don't forget the Nikon Series E 75-150mm. Sample:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gaeger2/35383003290/


Plenty of very nice hiking shots in there! jt


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
michelb wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


Unless i am badly mistaken, 45000 yen would be closer to 450,00$

That is correct in 1979 dollars.
Adjust that for inflation and see what you get in today's dollars.
Tom


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


We walked away from the topic but still. Pay attention to the prices on this website. the FD 28-85 (which I have) in 85 was worth 87,900 yen. FD 28-50mm f/3.5 (79 years old) 103,500 yen. Still surprised the price of FD 50-135mm f / 3.5 (79 years) 98,500 yen.
It would be interesting to look at the last two on modern digital cameras.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
sergun wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


We walked away from the topic but still. Pay attention to the prices on this website. the FD 28-85 (which I have) in 85 was worth 87,900 yen. FD 28-50mm f/3.5 (79 years old) 103,500 yen. Still surprised the price of FD 50-135mm f / 3.5 (79 years) 98,500 yen.
It would be interesting to look at the last two on modern digital cameras.


I don't have the nFD 28-50mm, but - after quite a while of waiting - a found the Canon nFD 3.5/50-135mm recently in a charity shop. A first, very preliminary test gave me a good feeling, but i've not done any "serious" work with the lens yet. The nFD 50-135mm is a quite sophisticated construction (16 lenses), and it might be better than the corresponding Minolta MD 3.5/35-135mm (introduced 1978). There was also a 16-lens Nikkor 3.5/50-135mm (1982). The Nikkor is quite rare as well.

I may have a closer look at the Canon and the Minolta tomorrow, and compare them to some contemporary Minolta primes (MD-III 50/1.4, 85/2, 100/2.5 and 135/2.8 [5/5]).

Stephan


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's also the Tokina AT-X 28-125, also sold as a Konica Hexanon. I have one and it's extremely sharp in the centre at all apertures but I've never been able to use it on FF to know about the corners. It has great smooth bokeh for a zoom and always impressed me on AP-C cameras.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There's also the Tokina AT-X 28-125, also sold as a Konica Hexanon. I have one and it's extremely sharp in the centre at all apertures but I've never been able to use it on FF to know about the corners. It has great smooth bokeh for a zoom and always impressed me on AP-C cameras.


I assume you mean the Tokina AT-X 28-135mm. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, indeed I do. Smile


PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:

There are two (AFAIK) different coated in the Canon nFD 75/150 lenses.

Please, can you tell me the three first digits of the serial number of the lens you used for the test?

Thanks


The Canon nFD 4.5/75-150mm i've used for the test has a 167xxx serial number.

Stephan


PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sergun wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
Haha - yes - one too many zeros - thick fingers Smile
Canon lens museum lists it as 45,000 yen when new

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/nfd249.html

Tom


We walked away from the topic but still. Pay attention to the prices on this website. the FD 28-85 (which I have) in 85 was worth 87,900 yen. FD 28-50mm f/3.5 (79 years old) 103,500 yen. Still surprised the price of FD 50-135mm f / 3.5 (79 years) 98,500 yen.
It would be interesting to look at the last two on modern digital cameras.


The Canon nFD 4.5/70-150mm was relatively cheap because of its simple mechanical contruction; while zooming, its focus is kept optically and not through complicated "independent" movements of a compensator group. This reduces the manufacturing costs significantly.

The Canon nFD 3.5/50-135mm - a complicated construction with 16 lenses - performs quite well as well. Wide open (f3.5), it is slightly inferior to the corresponding Minolta primes, also tested at f3.5. At f8, the main difference is distortion and bit more CAs.

Surprisingly, the corresponding Minolta MD 3.5/50-135mm - a lighter, older and simpler construction with only 12 lenses - is as good as the Canon - on the wide end a bit weaker, at f=135mm a bit better (and ceratinly as good as the Minolta 2.8/135mm [5/5]).

I will publish the detailed results on artaphot as soon as possible.

Stephan


PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank You Stephan. This information will come in handy.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
At f8, both 3.5/50-135mm lenses (Canon nFD and Minolta MD-II) are quite solid performers, given their age and zoom range.
Here at f=50mm:


Wide open theres quite a bit of vignetting, and loss of details:


At the long end, and stopped down to f8 again, the Minolta 50-135mm is surprisingly sharp, given that the Zeiss 2.8/135mm is the best contemporary 2.8/135mm i know:


At f3.5 the Canon has some problems, the Minolta less so (Zeiss at f4 since it doesn't have an intermediate f-stop):


Stephan


PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
About a month ago came to me the Canon nFD 70-150 f4.5. Managed under normal weather stroll. Almost everywhere there is an open aperture except for the last two panoramas. I liked it.



pano



PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sergun wrote:
About a month ago came to me the Canon nFD 70-150 f4.5. Managed under normal weather stroll. Almost everywhere there is an open aperture except for the last two panoramas. I liked it.



pano



Splendid results and not unexpected.
A very good lens and can be found cheaply as well.
Tom


PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: ZOOM 70-150 WHICH? Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
I found the following zooms in the 70-150 mm range, and don't knwo which to buy


1- Canon nFD 70-150/4,5

2- Kiron (with Kiron brand) 70-150/4 push-pull

3- Konica 70-150/4

4-Vivitar (Kiron) 70-150/3,8 V.1

5-Vivitar (Tokina) 70-150/3,8 V.1

6-Osawa MC 70-150/3,8 - similar to Vivitar V.1

7-Olympus 75-150/4 (N° 374.xxx). It seems to be no MC



I read excellent things about the MD Minolta but I can't find any .

So, what do the partners think about those 7 lenses.

Which to buy.

Thanks in advance.


In that ~ range you have also two other interesting lenses
1-Tamron 70-150 2.8 soft focus : BIG but High aperture + softness control (none to max)
http://www.adaptall-2.com/lenses/51A.html
2-Tokina atx 60/120 f2.8 :smaller range (the one really usueful for portrait) but high aperture
http://forum.mflenses.com/at-x-tokina-60-120-f2-8-t44079.html


PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I recall that Galen Rowell used the Nikon 75-150mm. Considering his output, any of the good lenses mentioned here should work fine.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon nFD 70-150mm f4.5 Almost everywhere widely open.











Minolta md 75-150mm f4





PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
folderholder wrote:
I recall that Galen Rowell used the Nikon 75-150mm. Considering his output, any of the good lenses mentioned here should work fine.


Interesting. One of his books - "My Tibet", realized together with H. H. the Dalai Lama - belongs to my most cherished photo books.

And recently i got a SMC Pentax-M 4/75-150mm which is a really good zoom as well. Not as astonishing as the (bigger, heavier and slower) Canon nFD 4.5/70-150mm, but still very good, even at f4.

Stephan


PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
folderholder wrote:
I recall that Galen Rowell used the Nikon 75-150mm. Considering his output, any of the good lenses mentioned here should work fine.


Interesting. One of his books - "My Tibet", realized together with H. H. the Dalai Lama - belongs to my most cherished photo books.

And recently i got a SMC Pentax-M 4/75-150mm which is a really good zoom as well. Not as astonishing as the (bigger, heavier and slower) Canon nFD 4.5/70-150mm, but still very good, even at f4.

Stephan


Yes, the SMC Pentax-M 4/75-150mm is also a good lens and quite good value in the marketplace.
It also focuses a little closer than the Canon at just under 4 feet
Tom


PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
gaeger wrote:
Don't forget the Nikon Series E 75-150mm. Sample:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gaeger2/35383003290/


1+

I think I bought a late copy of this lens for $50 when I owned a D700. A little lower in contrast, colors aren't as vivid as modern Nikkors, a bit of flare. Forgot who made them for Nikon back in the day.

Great walkabout lens, the best of the E series Nikkors.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is an option to buy relatively cheap Yashica ml 75-150 f4 and XR Rikenon 70-150mm F4. Has anyone dealt with them ?


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sergun wrote:
There is an option to buy relatively cheap Yashica ml 75-150 f4 and XR Rikenon 70-150mm F4. Has anyone dealt with them ?


I do not have experience with either lens but in researching lenses in this category I came across reviews which I read carefully.
Both lenses appear to be rather good in their results and I could see little between them.
The Yashica is a trombone type zoom while the Rikenon is a two ring zoom and focus.
It could come down to personal preference and the condition of each lens.
Tom
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