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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 280 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: Best manual fix 200mm to 300$ |
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sergun wrote:
Ask for advice. The best fix is 200mm(180мм) with a price of up to$300 (for Sony A7r). I had Tamron 04B, good but awful chromatic in the open. Examples are welcome. Maximum aperture from F2.8 more - F4. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/105161078@N06/
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:26 am Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
While you will probably have to stretch your budget a bit past $300 to get one, my recommendation is the Minolta MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/200.
Images taken with a Sony A7II. _________________ Steve
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:38 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Bronica Zenzanon-S 4.5/200 is an amazing lens, razor sharp at all apertures, it outclasses every 180 or 200mm for 35mm SLR I have tried.
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D1N0
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:26 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Nikkor ED 180/2.8
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Minolta MD 200/4.0
Edited.. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have the Nikkor and the Bronica is much better. The Nikkor is of course, much faster at f2.8, so unless you need the speed, the Nikkor isn't the best option. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Teemō
Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Posts: 586 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Teemō wrote:
newst wrote: |
While you will probably have to stretch your budget a bit past $300 to get one, my recommendation is the Minolta MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/200.
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I've never really understood the pricing on some Minolta lenses! The MC/MD 200mm F4 is the same design (even more detailed with less CA, apparently) and very affordable and compact. In the case of the MC, it's really well constructed too. Unfortunately I think even spending a lot of money, unless the lens is APO/ED/LD designated then fringing can be expected (for lenses designed for 135 format). It's all about avoiding situations and lighting that presents CA - or simply removing it in post. For $300 I presume OP can get a pretty damn perfect 200/4 or 3.5 but will have to pay a lot more for a perfect 2.8 or faster. CA tends not to improve as a lens is stopped down. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
The Minolta MD 200/2.8 is few times more expensive than the F4 version when new. The second hard price tody is few times more expensive too. I would say the price is fair. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Teemō
Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Posts: 586 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Teemō wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
The Minolta MD 200/2.8 is few times more expensive than the F4 version when new. The second hard price tody is few times more expensive too. I would say the price is fair. |
It was almost 3x the price of the F4 and not a lot more than the 300/4.5. The F4 is easily found for under $50 now and the 300 for under $100. I'm sure not many 200/2.8's were made or sold, and certainly because it was only made in a single optical scheme without improvements so naturally the price is much higher, but there is not necessarily the value. Colour fringing is definitely a problem with many of the Minolta telephoto lenses - notably excepted are some of the earlier, more complex 135mm's with thick achromats. I suppose the later designs were too simple - in order to reduce cost/size/weight and maximise contrast and resolution - to sufficiently correct all CA with only one LD element. Others were definitely more specialised (and expensive) in this area - the MD lenses were very affordable at the time compared to most brands. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Most vintage MF 180mm / 200mm lenses have some problems with CAs.
In addition, there are "ordinary" corner resolution problems. And, of course, the faster lenses tend to have more problems.
I have compared and used quite a few MF and AF lenses in that range.
Very good lenses with little CA and very good corners @ f4:
* Canon nFD 4/200mm IF (with two LD lenses; Abbe number 70; cheap, about CHF 50.--)
* Minolta MC and first (!) MD 4/200mm (cheap, about CHF 50.--; probably also LD glass, but i have no proof for my assumption)
Very good f2.8 lenses with little CAs:
* Minolta AF 2.8/200mm APO (too expensive at about CHF 500.--)
* Nikkor AF 2.8/180mm ED (i got mine for about CHF 250.--)
The AiS Nikkor 2.8/180mm ED (not to be confused with the non-ED!!) should be excellent as well; it will be around CHF/USD 200.--. I have, however, never used this lens personally.
All other lenses i know (eg Canon FD 2.8/200, FD 4/200, nFD 2.8/200 IF, nFD 4/200 IF Macro, Minolta MC 4.5/200 and 3.5/200, MD 2.8/200, MD-II 4/200, Nikkor 2.8/180, Nikkor Ai 4/200, Hexanon AR 3.5/200 and AR 4/200, Pentax-M 2.5/200) have quite pronounced CAs and - often - also smeared corners when wide open.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
You can find a Canon EF 200/2.8 for $300. |
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Raxar
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 222
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Raxar wrote:
konica 200mm f/3.5 is very sharp and reasonably cheap but is heavy and bulky. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Raxar wrote: |
konica 200mm f/3.5 is very sharp and reasonably cheap but is heavy and bulky. |
CAs, however, are pretty visible! The Konica has an "Olympia-Sonnar-like" rendition, and blueish-yellow CAs, while the majority of "convetional" 200mm lenses (with a positive triplet group in front plus a pair of negative/positive lenses in the back) usually has red-green or magenta-cyan CAs.
I doubt whether it is better than the Tamron mentioned by the OP.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
CA is not a problem with the Hexanon 3.5/200 in most situations:
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Most vintage MF 180mm / 200mm lenses have some problems with CAs.
In addition, there are "ordinary" corner resolution problems. And, of course, the faster lenses tend to have more problems.
I have compared and used quite a few MF and AF lenses in that range.
Very good lenses with little CA and very good corners @ f4:
* Canon nFD 4/200mm IF (with two LD lenses; Abbe number 70; cheap, about CHF 50.--)
* Minolta MC and first (!) MD 4/200mm (cheap, about CHF 50.--; probably also LD glass, but i have no proof for my assumption)
Very good f2.8 lenses with little CAs:
* Minolta AF 2.8/200mm APO (too expensive at about CHF 500.--)
* Nikkor AF 2.8/180mm ED (i got mine for about CHF 250.--)
The AiS Nikkor 2.8/180mm ED (not to be confused with the non-ED!!) should be excellent as well; it will be around CHF/USD 200.--. I have, however, never used this lens personally.
All other lenses i know (eg Canon FD 2.8/200, FD 4/200, nFD 2.8/200 IF, nFD 4/200 IF Macro, Minolta MC 4.5/200 and 3.5/200, MD 2.8/200, MD-II 4/200, Nikkor 2.8/180, Nikkor Ai 4/200, Hexanon AR 3.5/200 and AR 4/200, Pentax-M 2.5/200) have quite pronounced CAs and - often - also smeared corners when wide open.
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Stephan has mentioned the Canon nFD 4/200mm IF
This is a wonderful, light and cheap lens with excellent results.
I highly recommend it as well
Tom |
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3dpan
Joined: 05 Nov 2017 Posts: 65 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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3dpan wrote:
How about the humble Vivitar Series 1 200/3.0, if MF is OK with you. You should find one in a mount which can be adapted to your Sony.
Does OK with close-ups too.
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
My recommendation is clearly the Leitz Telyt 200mm/F4 which I introduced here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-telyt-200mm-f4-visoflex-m39-version-t76697.html
Should be easily available within your budget and is adaptable to almost every camera.
More details in the link I've provided and a comparison with some other 200mm lenses is here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/200mm-lens-comparison-leitz-minolta-topcon-pentax-t76831.html _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 280 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 am Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
Did not expect such activity. ) All thanks. All proposals will be considered. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/105161078@N06/
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
I have both the MD I 200 mm f4 (not the small one) and the MD II 200 mm 2.8.
The f 2.8 advantages are:
- min focal distance 1.8 meter versus 2.5 meter
- Depth of field at 2.8, low vignetting at f 4.0
- 1 stop means faster
- 400 mm f 5.6 with 300 s
- 8 blades versus 6 better bokey
The f 4 advantages are:
- Lighter (520 g versus 700 g) and less voluminous (55 versus 72mm)
- Very cheap versus reasonable price (135 mm f 2.0 costs 3 times more than 200 2.8 and weighs 725 g albeit shorter)
- Less CA (not that different in most conditions)
Both quite sharp... if focused properly
I use the 4 for travelling (back from ski) and the 2.8 for portraits and/or locally _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
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Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8
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folderholder
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 102 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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folderholder wrote:
You might consider a zoom lens, also. My experience is with a Canon nFD f/4 80-200mm L that produces really nice sharp, contrasty images with a good sense of depth. It's in your price range and you get some other focal lengths thrown in. _________________ Best wishes,
Peter
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
folderholder wrote: |
You might consider a zoom lens, also. My experience is with a Canon nFD f/4 80-200mm L that produces really nice sharp, contrasty images with a good sense of depth. It's in your price range and you get some other focal lengths thrown in. |
The nFD 4/80-200mm L is in fact a very good zoom. At f=200mm, this lens has less CAs than all the mentioned MF lenses, including e. g. the Nikkor 2.8/180mm ED. Distortion is visible in the 200mm range, and detail resolution is not perfect, especially in the corners and in the f4 ... f5.6 range.
For landscape images, this zoom is really a great lens.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 280 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
Arrived Canon nFD 200mm F4 ($30) and immediately tried. wide open (A7R)
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
sergun wrote: |
Arrived Canon nFD 200mm F4 ($30) and immediately tried. wide open (A7R)
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Told you it was good.
Well done - these are excellent results.
In my opinion this has to be the best value 200mm lens available anywhere at the moment
Tom |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:34 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
In my opinion this has to be the best value 200mm lens available anywhere at the moment
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padam
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 175 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:30 am Post subject: |
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padam wrote:
Minolta MD 200/4 (last version) is really small and light, too. CA control better than the MD 200/2.8 and it is cheap.
But if you need closer minimum focus, then the nFD 200/4 can't be beaten.
APO-Lanthar 180/4 still reigns supreme in every way (sharpness, compactness, MFD) but it is crazy pricey.
I really don't know why they aren't considering remaking it, it would be much higher in demand compared to the 65mm f2 Macro. |
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