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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject: Have you heard about the "Citograph"? Reply with quote

Long name: "C.P. Goertz Citograph 35mm Hyperfocal"



I do have a prototype here. Today, I took the first shots with it on my M8...





It a hyperfocal f/8 lens with 35mm FL and Leica M mount. Since it is not rangefinder coupled, it also doesn't move the parallax compensation f the Leica. So you need to learn how to compose with it. One of the first shots show this:



You might ask, why stick such a simple lens to a Leica M body? Well, I just got the lens, but I can already tell that shooting with it is some kind of refreshing...

It's developed as a "one-man-project" via Kickstarter: >> click <<


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a "one-man-project". The founder is working on net SE is the parent company of Meyer Optik USA in Atlanta, GA https://de.linkedin.com/in/benedikt-hartmann-a19832127.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow seems wrong to put a 'toy' lens on a Leica. No focusing, no aperture control, seems pointless to me.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
This is not a "one-man-project". The founder is working on net SE is the parent company of Meyer Optik USA in Atlanta, GA https://de.linkedin.com/in/benedikt-hartmann-a19832127.


Oh yes, it is! He is working for them, but this is solely his baby. There is - apart from some communication channels - no participation by his company.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The marketing of this project, using ancient and well-known brand name , is exactly the same the Meyer and Biotar projects. The product has nothing to do with the original Hypergon. May be we are able to make a lens using similar obsolete brand ourselves?


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, so I can set up a kickstarter project and sell stuff under the Dallmeyer, Ross, Taylor, Taylor & Hobson, Wray, Kershaw, Aldis and Micro Precision Products names?

If so, I could resurrect the once great British optics industry! Wink

Here's one of my early prototypes of an ultra-ultra-ultra-wide lens:



Maybe I'll call it the 'Taylor, Taylor & Hobson Hyperwide'....


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya got CPO converters, so your project's gotta be good. (I'm a big CPO fan)


PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I collect em, got over a dozen of various types, still waiting for one of the 0.35x fisheyes to come along cheap. When these things were new they were hundreds, even thousands of dollars, the motion picture industry uses em to shoot movies. There's three of them there plus a Schneider Superwide Aspheric, so there's quite a large dollars worth if they were still worth what they originally cost.

That's a Yashica ML 2.8/24 at the bottom, then there's a couple of achromatic dioptres, then the Schneider, then the three Centuries. It produces a 5mm focal length and it does actually work, but it's very heavy and not very practical.

Here's a shot from above with my hand to show the scale of the thing.



PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it one of these?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all those Century things from Los Angeles, that would be an American lens then?

Fleeing now Smile


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have a real HYPERGON lens, 26mm focal length, from a military optical system and that is really good!

Here some shots taken with it (incl. some cross-eye 3D):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157627599515433



Does great 3D with pop:



PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luisalegria wrote:
With all those Century things from Los Angeles, that would be an American lens then?

Fleeing now Smile


Pretty much. Smile


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Oh, so I can set up a kickstarter project and sell stuff under the Dallmeyer, Ross, Taylor, Taylor & Hobson, Wray, Kershaw, Aldis and Micro Precision Products names?....


No, of course you can't. You need to own the rights to use the name. Meyer has done some research and has found out that several of those old names are no longer owned by anyone, obviously nobody cared. So, if you apply for ownership for one of those names you mention, you are free to start a project, produce and sell such a lens.

Why don't I do it? Because it needs a lot of courage to invest a considerable amount of money and a lot of work and time.
Perhaps that is the same reason why most of us don't do it.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
The marketing of this project, using ancient and well-known brand name , is exactly the same the Meyer and Biotar projects.

Yes, pretty similar, but that is not forbidden, is it? He knows this procedure, so he makes use of it.
And still, it's his own baby.

calvin83 wrote:
The product has nothing to do with the original Hypergon.

I didn't say it had. The name is Citograph. The name "Hypergon" is not used on the lens. "Hyperfocal" is something different. And not even the focal length is the same.

calvin83 wrote:
May be we are able to make a lens using similar obsolete brand ourselves?

Yes, why not? Just try to find a name you can buy the rights for, find a designer and a manufacturer, create a distribution system and start a kickstarter project. You're free to do it.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. I think it might be the right time to make something interesting. Thank You Dog


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
Thank you. I think it might be the right time to make something interesting. Thank You Dog


Would be great to have someone from this forum who markets a lens.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We already have:

https://rectilux.com/


PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Have you heard about the "Citograph"? Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
Long name: "C.P. Goertz Citograph 35mm Hyperfocal"

I do have a prototype here. Today, I took the first shots with it on my M8...

It a hyperfocal f/8 lens with 35mm FL and Leica M mount. Since it is not rangefinder coupled, it also doesn't move the parallax compensation f the Leica. So you need to learn how to compose with it. One of the first shots show this:

You might ask, why stick such a simple lens to a Leica M body? Well, I just got the lens, but I can already tell that shooting with it is some kind of refreshing...

It's developed as a "one-man-project" via Kickstarter: >> click <<
Thanks for posting this. I had read about it, and seemed an intriguing little lens Smile Great to read some actual user experience!


PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gardener wrote:
Is it one of these?

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No. It's by no means a plastic lens, far from it.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But being fixed focus and a fixed f8, it's the same concept even if glass rather than plastic - turn the camera into a point n shoot, which might be interesting for candid street shooting.