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gi0rgi0ba
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 Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: Zeiss Biotar 58mm f2 M42 on EOS focusing to infinity issue |
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gi0rgi0ba wrote:
I all
I have a biotar 58mm f2 pre-set version n.3538762 (see picture) which I want to use with my eos 100D. To do that I bought an adapter EMF confirmation chip M42 to EOS.
I tried the adapter with a HELIOS 58mm f2 (see picture) and it works fine focusing to infinity too. On Biotar the same adapter does not fit perfectly, in fact
I cannot screw it in thoroughly (missing 2 mm) to get inifity focus. How is it possible? both lenses m42 mount seams to be similar. Have you any suggestion?
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Zeiss Biotar 58mm f2 M42 on EOS focusing to infinity iss |
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visualopsins wrote:
| gi0rgi0ba wrote: |
I all
I have a biotar 58mm f2 pre-set version n.3538762 (see picture) which I want to use with my eos 100D. To do that I bought an adapter EMF confirmation chip M42 to EOS.
I tried the adapter with a HELIOS 58mm f2 (see picture) and it works fine focusing to infinity too. On Biotar the same adapter does not fit perfectly, in fact
I cannot screw it in thoroughly (missing 2 mm) to get inifity focus. How is it possible? both lenses m42 mount seams to be similar. Have you any suggestion?
Thanks in advance
Giorgio
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Welcome gi0rgi0ba
Photos showing now. 
Others will also answer -- I think maybe changed the thread from M42 to T-mount -- same diameter, different threads per inch.
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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calvin83
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Buy another adapter...
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gi0rgi0ba
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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gi0rgi0ba wrote:
| calvin83 wrote: |
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I do not know the T mount , I read in a post (http://vintage-camera-lenses.com/carl-zeiss-jena-biotar-258/) that the biotar was manufactured in these mounts
M42 / Pentax mount
EXA / Exakta mount
Praktina mount
what is the difference between M42 and T mount, just the number of threads / inch?
thanks
G.
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lenses:
CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 silver (M42),CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 black (M40),CZJ Flektogon 20mm f/4 (M42),CZJ Flektogon 35mm f/2.4 (M42),
Staeble Kata 45mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette), Staeble Choro 38mm f/3,5 (M39-Paxette),
Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette)
Asahi Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 (M42)
Asahi Pentax SMC Pentax-M 28mm f/2.8 |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
One is 42x1mm other is 42x0.75mm
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Oh! If adapter has flange to press in the M42 aperture pin, the pin on biotar could be preventing full twist-on. Need flangeless adapter?
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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gi0rgi0ba
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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gi0rgi0ba wrote:
if it were a t mount then a classic m42 with 1mm pitch should not screw up on it due to the different pitch. Is it correct? I have to investigate on it.
G.
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CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 silver (M42),CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 black (M40),CZJ Flektogon 20mm f/4 (M42),CZJ Flektogon 35mm f/2.4 (M42),
Staeble Kata 45mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette), Staeble Choro 38mm f/3,5 (M39-Paxette),
Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette)
Asahi Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 (M42)
Asahi Pentax SMC Pentax-M 28mm f/2.8 |
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:18 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| Oh! If adapter has flange to press in the M42 aperture pin, the pin on biotar could be preventing full twist-on. Need flangeless adapter? |
I think so. The flange prevents the lens fully screw in.
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gi0rgi0ba
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: |
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gi0rgi0ba wrote:
| calvin83 wrote: |
| visualopsins wrote: |
| Oh! If adapter has flange to press in the M42 aperture pin, the pin on biotar could be preventing full twist-on. Need flangeless adapter? |
I think so. The flange prevents the lens fully screw in. |
Yes, correct. I resolved the problem removing / brushing few millimeters of the internal flange. Now it screw in perfectly and it can focus to infinity. Very sharp lens at F5.6 / F8.
Thaks all of you for helping me.
Cheers
G.
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lenses:
CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 silver (M42),CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 black (M40),CZJ Flektogon 20mm f/4 (M42),CZJ Flektogon 35mm f/2.4 (M42),
Staeble Kata 45mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette), Staeble Choro 38mm f/3,5 (M39-Paxette),
Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette)
Asahi Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 (M42)
Asahi Pentax SMC Pentax-M 28mm f/2.8 |
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visualopsins
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Marek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
The adapter probably doesnt "sit" tight enough on the lens - the screwing job is not 100% finished to its end. That sort of problem often occures on Canon, especially with Flektogons, or possibly any other screw mount wide lens very sensitive on the matter of register distance change.
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gi0rgi0ba
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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gi0rgi0ba wrote:
| Marek wrote: |
| The adapter probably doesnt "sit" tight enough on the lens - the screwing job is not 100% finished to its end. That sort of problem often occures on Canon, especially with Flektogons, or possibly any other screw mount wide lens very sensitive on the matter of register distance change. |
thanks Marek for your suggestion. I brushed the internal flange of the adapter, now it fits perfectly.
BR
Giorgio
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lenses:
CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 silver (M42),CZJ Biotar 58mm f/2 black (M40),CZJ Flektogon 20mm f/4 (M42),CZJ Flektogon 35mm f/2.4 (M42),
Staeble Kata 45mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette), Staeble Choro 38mm f/3,5 (M39-Paxette),
Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50mm f/2.8 (M39-Paxette)
Asahi Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 (M42)
Asahi Pentax SMC Pentax-M 28mm f/2.8 |
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