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Group Test : 50~55mm f/1.7~1.8mm
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Group Test : 50~55mm f/1.7~1.8mm Reply with quote

Hi guys Very Happy

recently purchased a lot of good 50~58mm f/1.7~1.8 lens so i decided to do a comparison. unfortunately some lenses didn't arrived yet and i can mount all of them on canon EF (for full-frame test) so i will complete the test as soon as i find a sony A7 camera for that purpose. my plan is getting all of them tested on 4/3 (just the center) and FF in 3 different distance (60cm - 3m - infinity)

let me know if you think some worthy lens is missing on my list:
CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8
Zeiss Ultron 50/1.8
Yashica ML 50/1.7
Pentax A 50/1.7
Konica AR 50/1.7
Fuji 55/1.8 non-EBC (probably as good as Tak 55/1.8 and mamiya 55/1.Cool
Canon FD 50/1.7
Minolta MD III 50/1.7
Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
Zeiss C/Y Planar 50mm f/1.7
Topcor RE 58/1.8 (yes its not a 50 or 55 Very Happy )
Nikon E 50/1.8

and finally there is a quick test i did this morning with OMD E-M5 :

all images are 100% crop from center and ignore the wrong WB on Fuji Rolling Eyes

Fujica EBC 50mm f/1.6 @1.6


Fujica EBC 50mm f/1.6 @2.8


Fujica EBC 50mm f/1.6 @4.0


Zeiss Ultron 50/1.8 @1.8


Zeiss Ultron 50/1.8 @2.8


Zeiss Ultron 50/1.8 @4.0


Yashica ML 50/1.7 @1.7


Yashica ML 50/1.7 @2.8


Yashica ML 50/1.7 @4.0


CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 @1.8


CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 @2.8


CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 @4.0


Zeiss Planar HFT 50/1.4 @1.4


PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Raxar,

Doing a comparison between the ubiquitous 50mm f/1.7- 1.8 lenses can be valuable, but I predict that all of them made by major manufacturers will perform excellently.

Please note: Canon has never made a 50mm f/1.7. Their lenses in this aperture range are all f/1.8.

As for lenses you have not listed I have a few suggestions:

Canon 50/1.8 SC (breechlock)
Canon 50/1.8 New FD
Minolta MC 50/1.8 or is it a 1.7?
Olympus 50/1.8
Nikon 50/1.8 AI or AIs - severall different versions exist, exclusive of the "E"
Pentax M42 Takumar 50/1.8 and 55/1.8
Pentax M 50/1.7


Last edited by cooltouch on Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:38 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Super (Multi-Coated) Takumar 50mm F1.4
(EBC) Fujinon 50mm F1.4
Helios 44-2 or 44m 58mm 2.0
A 55mm f1.4 Tomioka (Rikenon/Revuenon/Chinon/Sears/Cosinon/Yashinon and then some)


PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Yashica and the Pancolar wide open.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the Zenitar M 50mm f/1.7?


PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolar unexpectedly showed bad results or your copy is bad.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
Hey Raxar,

Doing a comparison between the ubiquitous 50mm f/1.7- 1.8 lenses can be valuable, but I predict that all of them made by major manufacturers will perform excellently.

Please note: Canon has never made a 50mm f/1.7. Their lenses in this aperture range are all f/1.8.

As for lenses you have not listed I have a few suggestions:

Canon 50/1.8 SC (breechlock)
Canon 50/1.8 New FD
Minolta MC 50/1.8
Olympus 50/1.8
Nikon 50/1.8 AI or AIs - severall different versions exist, exclusive of the "E"
Pentax M42 Takumar 50/1.8 and 55/1.8
Pentax M 50/1.7


you are absolutely right. most of them are excellent but they have different character.
i have a OM MC 50/1.8 but its not that sharp. may be my copy is bad.

D1N0 wrote:
The Super (Multi-Coated) Takumar 50mm F1.4
(EBC) Fujinon 50mm F1.4
Helios 44-2 or 44m 58mm 2.0
A 55mm f1.4 Tomioka (Rikenon/Revuenon/Chinon/Sears/Cosinon/Yashinon and then some)


the 1.4s are another story. also there a good comparison by verybigloo:
http://www.verybiglobo.com/50mm-f1-4-legacy-lenses-shootout-wide-open/

Thecageyone wrote:
How about the Zenitar M 50mm f/1.7?

i completely forgot about that one. i try to find one Wink

sergun wrote:
Pancolar unexpectedly showed bad results or your copy is bad.

it might be the lens so i will look for another copy but i dont think even best copy could be as good as ML or ultron. these are well above average.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are really keen you might like to include these
Yashinon DX 50/1.7
Rikenon 55/1.7
Schneider Kreuznach Edixa-Xenon 50/1.9
Isco Westrocolor 50/1.9

I know the last two are f1.9 lenses and a little hard to find but they are both pretty special
Tom


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sergun wrote:
Pancolar unexpectedly showed bad results or your copy is bad.

Pancolar tends to glow wide-open a lot. Some does more some less, but still they do.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
If you are really keen you might like to include these
Yashinon DX 50/1.7
Rikenon 55/1.7
Schneider Kreuznach Edixa-Xenon 50/1.9
Isco Westrocolor 50/1.9

I know the last two are f1.9 lenses and a little hard to find but they are both pretty special
Tom

thanks for the suggestions tom Smile i could get hands on a SK Xenon 50/1.9 and already have a dx 50/1.7 but its not in a good shape Crying or Very sad
also i not sure but i think rikenon is made by tomioka? they are not so good wide open. if its more like fujinon-takumar 55/1.8 it might be good.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raxar wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
If you are really keen you might like to include these
Yashinon DX 50/1.7
Rikenon 55/1.7
Schneider Kreuznach Edixa-Xenon 50/1.9
Isco Westrocolor 50/1.9

I know the last two are f1.9 lenses and a little hard to find but they are both pretty special
Tom

thanks for the suggestions tom Smile i could get hands on a SK Xenon 50/1.9 and already have a dx 50/1.7 but its not in a good shape Crying or Very sad
also i not sure but i think rikenon is made by tomioka? they are not so good wide open. if its more like fujinon-takumar 55/1.8 it might be good.


Yes, I have heard that the Rikenon is a Tomioka made lens.
My son has one and his performs extremely well.
Yes the Fujinon and the Takumar are wonderful as you say.
I have the Isco Westrocolor and I like it very much indeed
Tom


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
If you are really keen you might like to include these
Yashinon DX 50/1.7
Rikenon 55/1.7
Schneider Kreuznach Edixa-Xenon 50/1.9
Isco Westrocolor 50/1.9

I know the last two are f1.9 lenses and a little hard to find but they are both pretty special
Tom


Another excellent, cheap and underrated lens is the Minolta MD 50mm f2.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of 50mm f/2 lenses, one that bears mentioning is the old original pre-AI Nikkor 50/2. I owned one for a while but didn't shoot with it much. But I've been lectured at by old-school photographers who have told me in no uncertain terms that the old Nikkor 50/2 was the best normal lens ever made. Period, end of story. Well, I wasn't gonna argue with these old curmudgeonly types -- I just took it all in. So I could pass it along like I'm doing right now. Cool


PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
Speaking of 50mm f/2 lenses, one that bears mentioning is the old original pre-AI Nikkor 50/2. I owned one for a while but didn't shoot with it much. But I've been lectured at by old-school photographers who have told me in no uncertain terms that the old Nikkor 50/2 was the best normal lens ever made. Period, end of story. Well, I wasn't gonna argue with these old curmudgeonly types -- I just took it all in. So I could pass it along like I'm doing right now. Cool

I have the AI version and it is stunning! that is why its price now became in par with 50/1.4 ais!


PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there ya go then!


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
Hey Raxar,

Doing a comparison between the ubiquitous 50mm f/1.7- 1.8 lenses can be valuable, but I predict that all of them made by major manufacturers will perform excellently.

Please note: Canon has never made a 50mm f/1.7. Their lenses in this aperture range are all f/1.8.


I have a Canon 50mm f/1.9...


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itsfozzy wrote:
cooltouch wrote:
Hey Raxar,

Doing a comparison between the ubiquitous 50mm f/1.7- 1.8 lenses can be valuable, but I predict that all of them made by major manufacturers will perform excellently.

Please note: Canon has never made a 50mm f/1.7. Their lenses in this aperture range are all f/1.8.


I have a Canon 50mm f/1.9...


A Canon in Exakta mount - interesting.
What camera did it originally mount to?
Tom


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting test, especially since you are looking for the differences in character!

I have only 1 lens in your range of specifications, the Meyer Optik Görlitz Oreston 50mm 1.8. I like its handling, and the minimum focus distance of only 33cm is a very nice touch.
I should take it out more often.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sjak wrote:
This is an interesting test, especially since you are looking for the differences in character!

I have only 1 lens in your range of specifications, the Meyer Optik Görlitz Oreston 50mm 1.8. I like its handling, and the minimum focus distance of only 33cm is a very nice touch.
I should take it out more often.

yeah i guess character is important as sharpness. for me sharpness+character+mount+price are the main factors.

and about oreston 50/1.8 i think is will be pretty similar to pancolar 50/1.8 or pentacon MC 50/1.8. i have both so i will testing them.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest you also Helios-77 50/1.8 and Volna 50/1.8. I find the rendering of the volna pretty interesting.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raxar wrote:
and about oreston 50/1.8 i think is will be pretty similar to pancolar 50/1.8 or pentacon MC 50/1.8. i have both so i will testing them.
Correct.

I didn't realize this when I was making my suggestion, but I think it is near-identical to the Pentacon 50 1.8, which given the history is logical. There seems to be a small difference in weight, and the Pentacon goes down to f/16 where the Meyer goes to f/22, but otherwise, all specs seem the same.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
itsfozzy wrote:
cooltouch wrote:
Hey Raxar,

Doing a comparison between the ubiquitous 50mm f/1.7- 1.8 lenses can be valuable, but I predict that all of them made by major manufacturers will perform excellently.

Please note: Canon has never made a 50mm f/1.7. Their lenses in this aperture range are all f/1.8.


I have a Canon 50mm f/1.9...


A Canon in Exakta mount - interesting.
What camera did it originally mount to?
Tom


The Canon OM (yes, OM!) 50mm f/1.9 uses a modified version of the EXA mount, note the position of the aperture release. Initially the lens was used with a early Mamiya SLR, this Canon lens was the "premium" standard lens.