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Gatorengineer64
Joined: 26 Oct 2017 Posts: 279
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:56 pm Post subject: Lesser known German Lens Makers for 35mm? |
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Gatorengineer64 wrote:
Hi,
Was looking for some German lens makers other than the usual suspects to explore. I have on my known list Schneider, Prakticar, Zeiss, Meyer, Leica, Edixa, and Meyer. Voigtlander I consider Japanese, perhaps wrongly.
Any others worth giving a go?
Makr _________________ A7R4, GFX50R and a bucket of mflenses |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Astro Berlin, old Voigtlaender, Schacht, Agfa, Enna, Feinmess Dresden, Isco, Futura, Rodenstock, Zeiss Ikon, Steinheil, Staeble (partly Novoflex), Roeschlein, Rollei, .. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Voigtlander were German until the 21st century.
Their lenses are the equal of Schneider and Zeiss, but less common than both.
Any of the DKL series Voigtlanders are worth having, very sharp and highly corrected, but a little less contrasty than their Schneider DKL contemporaries. Standouts are the Septon, a normal lens with 7 elements that is highly prized and expensive and the groundbreaking Skopagon 40mm that was very complex for it's time and really state of the art.
List of Voigtländer Bessamatic/Ultramatic SLR DKL-mount lenses:
Voigtländer Skoparex 35mm f3.4[1] (I: 0.9/1m or 3ft; II: 0.9/1m and 3ft; III: 0.9/1m and 3ft + bigger ring; IV: 0.4m and 1.5ft + bigger ring)
Voigtländer Skopagon 40mm f2.0[1] (I: 0.9m or 3ft; II: 0.9m and 3ft; III: 0.5m and 2ft)
Voigtländer Color-Skopar X 50mm f2.8[1] (I: 0.9/1m or 3ft; II: 0.9/1m and 3ft; III: 0.9/1m and 3ft + bigger ring; IV: 0.6m and 2ft + bigger ring)
Voigtländer Color-Skopar 50mm f2.8 (0.6m and 2ft + bigger ring; since ca. 1965)
Voigtländer Color-Lanthar 50mm f2.8[1] (for Bessamatic m)
Voigtländer Septon 50mm f2.0[1] (I: 0.9m or 3ft; II: 0.9m and 3ft; III: 0.6m and 2ft)
Voigtländer Dynarex 90mm f3.4[1]
Voigtländer Dynarex 100mm f4.8[1]
Voigtländer Super-Dynarex 135mm f4.0[1] (I: 4m or 13ft; II: 4m and 13ft)
Voigtländer Super-Dynarex 200mm f4.0[1]
Voigtländer Super-Dynarex 350mm f5.6[1]
Voigtländer Zoomar 36–82mm f2.8[1]
There were also 4 DKL mount leses for the Vitessa T:
List of Voigtländer Vitessa T rangefinder DKL-mount lenses:
Voigtländer Skoparet 35mm f3.4
Voigtländer Color-Skopar 50mm f2.8
Voigtländer Dynaret 100mm f4.8
Voigtländer Super-Dynaret 135mm f4.0
Lenses for the Vitessa T feature an aperture ring of their own. They are not compatible with Bessamatic lenses.
Then there are the lenses for the Icarex which replaced them, those come in either Icarex bayonet mount or M42, are labelled Zeiss but are actually Voigtlander designed and built, I have a couple of them and they are ery sharp and highly corrected, with interesting character, but overall less contrasty than the contemporary Schneider and Zeiss.
35/3.4 Skoparex
50/1.8 Ultron (concave front element)
50/2.8 Tessar (4 element)
50/2.8 Color-Pantar (3 element)
90/3.4 Dynarex
135/4 Super-Dynarex
200/4 Super-Dynarex
400/5 Telomar
36-82/2.8 Zoomar
Least common are the RF lenses for the Prominent, but they are beautiful, said to be the equal of the contemporary Leica RF lenses and includes the famous Nokton 1.5/50 and Ultron 2/50. The Ultron 2/50 is very highly regarded and sought after, the Nokton is a legend and fetches high prices.
35/3.5 Skoparon
50/3.5 Color Skopar
50/2 Ultron
50/1.5 Nokton
100/4.5 Dynaron _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
To add a few, Piesker, Kilfitt, Tewe _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Gatorengineer64
Joined: 26 Oct 2017 Posts: 279
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Gatorengineer64 wrote:
Any suggestions on which of them might be worth giving a go? I have a Voigtlander Septon comming in the mail. Hopefully its in decent shape. A non-gauss design will be interesting to play with. _________________ A7R4, GFX50R and a bucket of mflenses |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
"Any suggestions on which of them might be worth giving a go?'
All of them, for one reason or another.
They all made cool things.
Often enough very pretty things. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1658
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
Voigtländer Skopagon 40mm f2.0
What a lens!!!!
Really first class one |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:52 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
About Voigtländer being german (after being austrian) before being japanese, the first generation of Voigtländer lenses during the Rollei ownership are also german lenses.
Color Ultron 50 1.8 and Color Dynarex 135 4 are examples.
Then the next generation was japanese ( Mamiya).
The nowadays CV are japanese but sometimes they pay tribute to the tradition ( Heliar 50 3.5 ). |
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Gatorengineer64
Joined: 26 Oct 2017 Posts: 279
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Gatorengineer64 wrote:
Well, I got some Lesser known (to me) germans to play with. I am looking for lenses with a unique attribute whether it be extra sharp, bokeh, or other hard to explain character
Edixa 1.9 F50 M42 Zebra Screwmount - Nothing special to see, kind of soft, nothing special bokeh wise or characterwise. Awkward to use.
Enna Munchen Lithagon 35 F3.5 - Really soft, nothing really special alot of folks love this lens, but I didnt see anything characterwise that speical.
Schneider Xenon 50 1.9 Zebra Exakta - WOW, nothing much wore to say other than wow. Wondering how the DKL version of this critter does.
Schneider Xenar 3.5 135 Exakta Zebra - Hard to get really excited about 135mm and slow but this lens is a very nice sharp lens.
E. Ludwig Peronar 50 F2.9 Exakta Mount - This one will get a little more time, not sharp, but has a look to it.....
Will post more when and if I get them. The only new thing coming is a Septon...... Want to see if it lives up to its billing _________________ A7R4, GFX50R and a bucket of mflenses |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
Expire: 2014-01-07
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:13 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The DKL version of the 1.9/50 Xenon is a wow lens too. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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bornbad
Joined: 10 Feb 2016 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:33 am Post subject: |
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bornbad wrote:
I have a little "A. Schacht, Ulm" collection:
35 2,8 S-Travegon nice colours, small heavy lens, 7 lenses in 3 groups
35 3,5 Travenar preselect, 13 blades, small and light, fun to use, 4 (3) lenses
50 1,8 S-Travelon very fast and good iq for that time, 6 (4) lens gauss
50 2,8 Travenar standard lens, have both: the older 13 blade bokeh- and the 6 blade-version, 4 (3) lenses
90 2,8 Travenar 17 blade, nice bokeh !, very nice IQ , very small, I like it alot , 4 (3) lenses
100 3,3 Travegar 17 blade bokeh-monster, m39 head on a tubus for macro on a balgengerät , 3 (3) lenses
135 3,5 Travenar 17 blade, nice bokeh !, very nice IQ, 4 (3) lenses
135 4,5 Tranenon 17 blade, very nice bokeh !, also m39 macro-head for balgengerät on a tubus, 4 (3) lenses
50 3,5 Travegar enlarger lens for balgengerät, 3 (3) lenses
each of them has something special and its fun to work with them.
So give Schacht a try |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
I don't own any Schacht-lenses, but have handled a few. They are indeed really nice: well built, and e.g. the 90mm 2.8 is very light and compact for it's focal length. Also a nice history, a lens-engineer from Zeiss who started his own optical company. |
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