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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16541 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: What is my camera / lens worth? |
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kds315* wrote:
http://www.mikeeckman.com/2016/02/what-is-my-camera-worth/
Opinions on that? (I hold mine back for a while, as I disagree with the author in a few points..) _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I skimmed through it. Didn't see anything major to disagree with. Most old cameras aren't worth much. Rare does not equal money. Most ebay sellers have no idea what they're looking at or what it is worth. |
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gud
Joined: 06 May 2017 Posts: 35
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:14 am Post subject: |
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gud wrote:
To summarise the article :
1. If your dad or granfather , who gave you camera\lens , used to have professional photos or\and professoional photo tools - use ebay to find the value of the stuff, you inherited.
2. If there are no photos in family archive - just sell all this garbage by 1$ a piece.
In my childhood , any family who had a camera of the Zenith level or higer , - always had a lot of stuff for development,post-processing and printing. Going with the film to the lab was extremely costly that days, so all such people kept all chemicals and tools at home and did development, post production and printing in the kitchen or bath . |
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Sciolist
Joined: 29 Mar 2017 Posts: 1445 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Sciolist wrote:
"In order to use eBay for a realistic appraisal of your item, you must check the “Sold listings”"
You give a fair appraisal of the sold listings. Personally, I ignore the "Buy it now" sales and just look at the items sold competitively, at auction, for an idea of price. This price of course, can then be used as a guide for purchasing on "Buy it now". Although none of it is an exact science, and nor does purely looking at price guarantee value for money, or good service. |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
Not sure a fancy writeup boosts the selling price. A nice presentation wouldn't convince me to spend an extra dollar over a low effort listing.
Admittedly I'm buying stuff to shoot not to collect. I wonder what the ratio of shooters/collectors is? _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
Hexanon 28/3.5, 50/1.4 |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
.......i can't see the page! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
Minolta and Konica collector.... slowly selling all the other stuff! |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
fuzzywuzzy wrote: |
Not sure a fancy writeup boosts the selling price. A nice presentation wouldn't convince me to spend an extra dollar over a low effort listing.
Admittedly I'm buying stuff to shoot not to collect. I wonder what the ratio of shooters/collectors is? |
It does make a difference, sometimes a huge one. I've picked up plenty of lenses for a fraction of their usual value by bidding on auctions with poor photos or poor descriptions. I recently picked up several rare old exakta lenses listed as a lot (the lot included an ISCO Westrogon, and the whole lot, cameras, lenses, accessories, ended up costing about the worth of just that single lens) for a very good price because (in my opinion) the photos were not particularly good, and the seller admitted they didn't know anything about cameras.
People who do this often enough know that it is a gamble, soon enough you bid on a lens with a poor photo and a poor description and you end up with something infested with fungus, scratches, etc. Most of the time you don't, but it's still a risk a lot of buyers aren't willing to take. |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2927 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I have to agree with mos6502.
Sometimes you get treasures sometimes trash but usually a pretty good chance it will be OK. Some makes are obviously better made and likely to be good (eg Asahi ) Sometimes you gamble and lose. I have several GDR lenses with really stiff helical grease. Minolta's and Konica's with oil on the blades. Most people are unwilling to bid very high on an "as is" example that is poorly described. Good descriptions can definitely help your sale. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10532 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Need opinion of target audience member, not the experts here! : lol: _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
I agree with most of what he says, but eventually, all a casual seller with no specific knowledge of cameras can do is to give a good description and provide enough photos, so that the buyers could figure out what's going on. Throwing in words like professional, rare, or mint, will not help their case.
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
If you are trying to maximize profit, and your item is in good condition, and desirable, a good description and good clear well exposed pictures(Why is it so hard for sellers of photography equipment to provide good pictures?) can draw more action to your sale, on the other hand, if it's not desirable or in poor condition, you may be better off being vague.
The article is ok, saying that there is only one vintage camera worth collecting(more or less what was said) was inaccurate at best.
I think all one has to do is search ebay as he spoke of, for each item, compare items look for differences, if there are, was it a different year? a different model? a change in design? a fake? etc... if you can't find an explanation, or the exact model, then by all means, ask a forum, please don't jump strait to the forum and ask us to do the work for you.... unless you have a large collection on your hands.
If a person is not into photography, and doesn't know where to start? take pictures and post them on a camera forum and ask "what do I have and what's worth what" and add your intentions, sell, keep, use... and never take one person's word on a low value and sell it cheap.
This may not look like much, but price can surprise you. which is worth more???
http://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Leitz/Leica-I-Mod-A-(4-digits-Number).html
or
http://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Leitz/Leica-I-Mod-A-(Anastigmat).html _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
If a person is not into photography, and doesn't know where to start? take pictures and post them on a camera forum and ask "what do I have and what's worth what" . |
Often times this is not an option - many sellers simply don't have time for this sort of things. I'll give you an example - about half a mile from my hose there is a small business run by an elderly couple, probably in their late sixties of early seventies. They do full service shipping, rent u-hauls, run an antique store, and will put stuff on ebay for you. Do you think they time to research and go to forums. The same is true for estate sales people - they have 2-3 days a week to hit as many sales as they can, and accumulate stock. Then they need to sell it. Putting a 100 items on ebay takes time, packing and shipping takes a lot of time, and often they will be ok with sufficient profit as long as the sale is quick and painless. |
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Elmar Lang
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 103
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Elmar Lang wrote:
In my opinion, the best would be to contact an auction house, in this case specialized in photography and/or technical instruments.
In Europe, there are Westlicht and Dorotheum (Vienna); Auction Team Breker (Cologne, Germany), etc. etc.
It just needs to email the proper department, with good pictures in attachment and read their response.
Besides a possible, relatively low estimate price, the Auction houses, through their clients' list, advertising and specialized interests of collectors and photographers, will do the rest, often with surprisingly good result.
A seller, usually pays a reasonable percentage to the auctioneers.
I'm a collector in a different, non photographic field and to satisfactorily dispose of what wouln't be of my interest anymore, I usually give the pieces to auction houses.
Ebay, in my opinion, is not a good way to valuate a piece, because also the sold-listing, often is not to be trusted in full.
Best wishes,
E.L. |
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
Elmar Lang wrote: |
an auction house |
I don't think we have specialty auctioneers like that around here. And the MO of the regular auction houses is take 10-15% of the top, slap on ~20% buyer premium, and then tell you they don't ship, so you get to deal with the shipper, who gets it to you at 3-5 times the cost. So, the seller gets around 50% of what the buyer pays, and the buyer gets crappy photos, lots of guesswork, and little to no recourse if the stuff arrives rotten through and through. |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2927 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I think for any reasonably common item ebay research is the best way to find out value. It's pretty much worldwide. If you have a rare or unique item value will be hard to find anywhere. If you want to sell it you will find PDQ what it is worth at auction. If you want to keep it unless it is extremely valuable then auction with reserve. Yes the sold listings CAN be manipulated to a certain degree on semi rare items. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
There are really just two problems with looking up values on ebay.
1: non-paying bidders might bid prices up to ridiculous prices, but the sold listings won't tell you this. You'll just see the unreasonably inflated price. This can also happen with BIN, now that ebay no longer shows the actual sale price, and just the listing price.
2: Items which are actually rare often go for less money than they'd really be worth. Items which aren't actually rare at all, but which are just uncommon enough to fool people into thinking they're hard to find often go for absurdly high prices (Triotars, Edixagons, etc.). The problem with the rare stuff is, the few people who actually know what it is and will pay for it, often aren't watching ebay, consequently some really obscure stuff sometimes sells for next to nothing. I have bought a couple rare items for very little, but only made the mistake of selling something rare on ebay once. |
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