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dan_
Joined: 05 Dec 2012 Posts: 1052 Location: Romania
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
...another company jumping the train of such "old type" lenses for the "unique look"
What happens is that old GLAUKAR lenses will increase in price quickly... let me quickly buy all I can find
Like this one?? Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
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Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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dan_
Joined: 05 Dec 2012 Posts: 1052 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:50 am Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
To me it looks very much like the previous Meyer campaigns. Even the photos used as examples are carefully worked and lighted to look "old style".
They are beautiful, but that's because of the skills of the photographer and not because of the special character of the lens.
In fact, being the first Anastigmat, GLAUKAR is a milestone in the history of the photographic lenses but it also is not a perfect anastigmat. It is a kind of "wannabe modern lens" . IMO It is highly collectible but to use it today is like using an imperfect, cheap modern lens.
Not really much to offer...
A f/2 GLAUKAR should be rare but it was obviously re-mounted latter in the Leica mount. I suppose a collector would prefer it in the original mount and a Leica photographer won't be very much interested in its character. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There is a legitimate place in the large format world for old lenses like the Glaukar, if you look at sites like Large Format Photography Forum you will see that many LF shooters use old lenses in preference to modern ones because they give a different aesthetic that is impossible to achieve any other way. To be of interest to the LF shooters, any new Glaukar would have to cover at least 4x5. Therefore I would think that if they had recreated the original f3.1 210mm Glaukar, it would sell well to LF shooters, but the f3.1 97mm for 24x36mm they have come up with doesn't strike me as being a particularly worthwhile endeavour.
Also, I think they must be Leica fans to sell a triplet for 2 grand. I bet Cooke could make a equally good triplet and not have to charge anywhere near that much for it, after all, they produce the legendary Cooke Triple Convertible Portrait lens for large format and it only costs a hair over 2 grand and probably has 5 times the volume of glass in it. Now that is one lens that was worthy of being revived. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 576
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
Interesting. The text in the Kickstarter announcement -- thanks, dan_, for posting it -- is a tissue of lies. To be more polite, filled with marketing fluff.
dan_, I'm surprised they took you in. According to the VM, the first Glaukar was introduced in 1913. Rudolph's Anastigmats (later called Protars) were introduced in 1892. H. W. Lee's triplet, invented for Cooke and commercialized by TTH seems to have been introduced around 1895. Rudolph's Tessar, 1902. The announcement's claim that the Glaukar was the first anastigmat is just nonsense.
Ian, it appears that the Ser. XVa Cooke triple covertible is still available. See https://www.cookeoptics.com/l/xva.html |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I know it's still available, that's why I referred to it as an example of a classic lens that was reintroduced into production in recent years.
I had one of the originals for a while, a superb lens for such an old and uncoated optic. In the end I sold it because it was worth a lot of money and I have umpteen LF lenses. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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dan_
Joined: 05 Dec 2012 Posts: 1052 Location: Romania
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:48 am Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
danfromm wrote: |
Interesting.
dan_, I'm surprised they took you in. According to the VM, the first Glaukar was introduced in 1913. Rudolph's Anastigmats (later called Protars) were introduced in 1892. H. W. Lee's triplet, invented for Cooke and commercialized by TTH seems to have been introduced around 1895. Rudolph's Tessar, 1902. The announcement's claim that the Glaukar was the first anastigmat is just nonsense.
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Thanks for the correction. |
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dan_
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
I have checked, which I should have done from the beginning, with LVM and "A History of the Photographic Lenses" and the first Anastigmat was, "officially", the Ross Concentric Anastigmat patented in 1889.
However, it was of little use due to the fact it was only f/20.
The data are a bit unclear as the wide angle "Pantoscope" lenses, patented by Emil Busch in 1865, were engraved "Pantoscope Anastigmat", as well.
I'd conclude that their claim that Emil Busch made the first Anastigmat (Pantoscope), though questionable, is not completely illegitimate but to say that the 1910 Glaukar was the first "usable", fully corrected Anastigmat it's a plain lie, indeed. Even if "Rudolph’s Protar, ...did not work properly at the time of invention because its construction required glass coatings not available at the time" the TT&H Cooke triplet was quite mature and very usable at that date. |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:44 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
And again somebody is using old names, i wonder, is there no more copyright or brand-protection with these old names?
Anyway, there seems to be a market for lenses with an antique name printed on them, seeing how easy they reach their goals. _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
TrueLoveOne wrote: |
And again somebody is using old names, i wonder, is there no more copyright or brand-protection with these old names? |
Actually we are talking about a "trade mark" here and the corresponding laws are very different around the world.
For more information about the international treatment and protection of trade marks please refer to this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_system
The short story is: If a trade mark isn't used for a certain period of time (e.g. 5 years in Germany) somebody may apply for it's deletion and consequentially may apply for the same trade mark under new ownership. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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TrueLoveOne
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:46 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
The short story is: If a trade mark isn't used for a certain period of time (e.g. 5 years in Germany) somebody may apply for it's deletion and consequentially may apply for the same trade mark under new ownership. |
Thanks for the link, that explains a lot. Never knew about the 5 year term! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There is also the issue of the Versailles Treaty which stole a ton of intellectual property from Germany & Austria, so anything from pre-1919 is unlikely to have remained in Germanic ownership, making companies around the world able to copy things like the Tessar and not pay Zeiss a pfennig. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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tb_a
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
The intellectual property may be protected by patent laws up to 20 years (for certain patents like for pharmaceuticals a prolongation of additional 5 years is possible), but after that time it's more or less public domain. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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