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What's your favorite walk-around macro?
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the rare Porst Color MCM 55mm f1.7

Cheers.


PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently purchased a Sigma 105 macro. It is an auto focus but I use it in manual most of the time and it does well on my Pentax K1 camera.









PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that's more like it!

Great shots, Big Dawg.

Like many of you have said, I have a soft spot for macros as well - perhaps because they let me take photos of subjects that don't move around too much most of the time in a controlled situation. Wink

My percentage of handheld/light tripod keepers seems to be pretty high with the 100mm F/4 SMC takumar

However, Klaus, in answer to your question: "Hmm, so no-one uses the (famous) ZEISS S-Planar 60mm or 100mm?
Or the even more famous CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm ???"

I do have a copy of the CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm, but sometimes I'm afraid to take out and play - and it really deserves a good tripod! Here are some shots I took with it today on the Canon 5D RS. It's a spectacular lens - I'd hate to get it dirty.




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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

APO Lanthars & Zeiss S-Planars cost multiple times the others, these days.

Canon MP-E anybody?


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
APO Lanthars & Zeiss S-Planars cost multiple times the others, these days.

Canon MP-E anybody?


The MPE is not really a "macro" lens. I made the assumption in this thread that we were talking about lenses that can go from infinity to 1:2, 1:1, or higher.


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Hmm, so no-one uses the (famous) ZEISS S-Planar 60mm or 100mm?
Or the even more famous CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm ???


I wish !! ... Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the 125 APO Lanth is my dream lens, and there it will probably remain - I can't ever see myself spending what they go for now!

While I really like the Bokina, lately I've been using the Tamron 180mm F3.5 macro as my main walkabout macro lens - adapted as a manual lens from nikon mount, since that has manual aperture. The flexibility of it is insane, and other than some very minor fringing at 3.5 on very harsh white edges it has essentially no flaws I've ever seen. Although, that said, my use of it really hangs from a few things - the Olympus IBIS, which makes a 360mm birding/235mm macro lens usable, neat image to denoise flashless shots (none of these are with a flash), and focus stacking to make it usable for macro purposes at 3.5/5.6. But just being able to go from this -



or this



to this



or this



without swapping a lens or using a diopter or anything - that is pretty neat.

Just to delve deeper - here's what ISO1600, wide open at 3.5, looks like with some post -



and by messing with focus stacking you can create shots with moving subjects that would be a stretch even at very steep f-stops, but you're shooting at 1/200 / ISO500 -



Still like my other lenses (I've been taking the Vivitar S1 90/2.5 out a bunch in the hopes of building some stuff to show that off also) and my Olympus 60 is great for cross polarised flash stuff, but when you don't know if there are going to be birds or bugs or whatever to shoot, the Tamron 180 is pretty much the thing to take.

Also to add, out of focus behaviour on it, given it's 3.5 on m43, is at times quite nice indeed -







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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="piggsy"]Yeah, the 125 APO Lanth is my dream lens, and there it will probably remain - I can't ever see myself spending what they go for now!
.... lately I've been using the Tamron 180mm F3.5 macro as my main walkabout macro lens

With beautiful results like these, why would you want anything else? Incredible shots!

Paul


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pretty amazing shots you got with your Tamron 180mm macro!!!


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some nice photos in this thread : )

It's interesting to hear about people's experience. I typically do macro without a tripod or rails, though sometimes with a muted flash and have in the past availed of a Minolta AF 100 2,8 which I like optically and worked great on an A-mount camera with IS.

Nowadays there's no A-mount camera anymore, just E, and using it via an LA-EA hasn't been a great user experience, so am selling my 50 and 100mm A-mount AF macros and am pondering on what to replace them with.

50ish is easier (cheaper) and will probably be a Nikkor 55 2,8 while ~100..curiously the FE 100 macro is close to the cost of a used A7ii (have an A7 at the moment)..stabilized lens for unstabilized body or stabilized body for any unstabilized mf lens, hmm.


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray Parkhurst wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
APO Lanthars & Zeiss S-Planars cost multiple times the others, these days.

Canon MP-E anybody?


The MPE is not really a "macro" lens. I made the assumption in this thread that we were talking about lenses that can go from infinity to 1:2, 1:1, or higher.


? (Please explain - Canon advertises MP-E as a macro lens)


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panagor 55mm f2.8 for me, use it as my walk around lens when I may want some macro shots. Great performance and not too heavy or cumbersome on my Fuji X-T10, it's the same lens as the Vivitar 55mm macro.


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
? (Please explain - Canon advertises MP-E as a macro lens)


The MPE is a unique lens in that it can ONLY take photos in the "macro" range. In fact, it starts where most other lenses end, at 1:1. Other lenses folks are giving testimonial to in this thread are capable of focusing to infinity. It is this type of lens that I believe the OP was referring to when asking about favorite walkaround macro lenses. To support this he showed both infinity and closeup images. The MPE can't focus to infinity. So it is true that the MPE is capable of focusing in the macro range, but it is not a macro lens in the same context as others being mentioned.


PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray Parkhurst wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
? (Please explain - Canon advertises MP-E as a macro lens)


The MPE is a unique lens in that it can ONLY take photos in the "macro" range. In fact, it starts where most other lenses end, at 1:1. Other lenses folks are giving testimonial to in this thread are capable of focusing to infinity. It is this type of lens that I believe the OP was referring to when asking about favorite walkaround macro lenses. To support this he showed both infinity and closeup images. The MPE can't focus to infinity. So it is true that the MPE is capable of focusing in the macro range, but it is not a macro lens in the same context as others being mentioned.


Okay, I see, thanks. I guess the MP-E is a lot more like walking around with extention tubes on. Laughing


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, all this discussion has reminded me of something that I believe I've mentioned before here.

John Shaw, a very well-known nature photographer here in the US, has published a series of books over the years. I have a few that date back to the 1980s I guess. In one of his books he discusses how he got somee high magnification shots. He shoots (shot) exclusively with Nikon gear and used Kodachrome 25 almost exclusively. So his macro shots always had great detail.

Anyway, to capture many of these shots, he would mount two lenses of different focal lengths together, but what he would do is reverse mount the shorter focal length lens onto the longer one. This required an adapter ring that was threaded on both sides. It makes things simpler if both lenses have the same filter diameter. This method is called "stacking." So, for example, Shaw would do things like mount a 50mm lens, reversed, to a 135mm lens. The magnification calculation is straight forward. Just divide the primary lens (the one attached to the camera) focal length by the secondary lens focal length. With the above example, the magnification ratio would be 2.7:1. Not too shabby, eh? And as you can quickly see, the wider the secondary lens is, the greater the magnification.

The great thing about stacking lenses is we all have more than one lens. All we need is a lens-to-lens adapter, which is easy enough to come by these days. One nice thing about the major camera/lens makers was they tended to keep the same filter size across a wide range of their optics, so this makes for easy stacking.


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
You know, all this discussion has reminded me of something that I believe I've mentioned before here.

John Shaw, a very well-known nature photographer here in the US, has published a series of books over the years. I have a few that date back to the 1980s I guess. In one of his books he discusses how he got somee high magnification shots. He shoots (shot) exclusively with Nikon gear and used Kodachrome 25 almost exclusively. So his macro shots always had great detail.

Anyway, to capture many of these shots, he would mount two lenses of different focal lengths together, but what he would do is reverse mount the shorter focal length lens onto the longer one. This required an adapter ring that was threaded on both sides. It makes things simpler if both lenses have the same filter diameter. This method is called "stacking." So, for example, Shaw would do things like mount a 50mm lens, reversed, to a 135mm lens. The magnification calculation is straight forward. Just divide the primary lens (the one attached to the camera) focal length by the secondary lens focal length. With the above example, the magnification ratio would be 2.7:1. Not too shabby, eh? And as you can quickly see, the wider the secondary lens is, the greater the magnification.

The great thing about stacking lenses is we all have more than one lens. All we need is a lens-to-lens adapter, which is easy enough to come by these days. One nice thing about the major camera/lens makers was they tended to keep the same filter size across a wide range of their optics, so this makes for easy stacking.


I don't see the practical aspect in this method. The contraption would be heavy. Very heavy even for a 1:1 magnification. At 3:1 it's almost pitch black. I'm thinking at least f/22. Most probably to be already into the diffraction zone. Heavy duty tripod and lightning are mandatory. Flat field? What's that?


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Himself wrote:

I don't see the practical aspect in this method. The contraption would be heavy. Very heavy even for a 1:1 magnification. At 3:1 it's almost pitch black. I'm thinking at least f/22. Most probably to be already into the diffraction zone. Heavy duty tripod and lightning are mandatory. Flat field? What's that?


There was a neat demo someone did over on photomacrography with two macro lenses (olympus 135 @ F32 and 80mm @ F4) positioned to produce a telecentric system when put together.

http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1032


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Himself"]
cooltouch wrote:
I don't see the practical aspect in this method. The contraption would be heavy. Very heavy even for a 1:1 magnification. At 3:1 it's almost pitch black. I'm thinking at least f/22. Most probably to be already into the diffraction zone. Heavy duty tripod and lightning are mandatory. Flat field? What's that?


This is indeed a classic method of achieving higher magnifications with good quality. I've never personally had much luck with it, but many folks swear by lens stacking. It does produce a flat field which is good for higher magnifications to minimize blurring in the corners with single shots.


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

piggsy wrote:
Himself wrote:

I don't see the practical aspect in this method. The contraption would be heavy. Very heavy even for a 1:1 magnification. At 3:1 it's almost pitch black. I'm thinking at least f/22. Most probably to be already into the diffraction zone. Heavy duty tripod and lightning are mandatory. Flat field? What's that?


There was a neat demo someone did over on photomacrography with two macro lenses (olympus 135 @ F32 and 80mm @ F4) positioned to produce a telecentric system when put together.

http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1032


Yep, as I said:heavy, cumbersome,lightning, not even a tripod but something more than that. Just an experiment made by Rick. He usually shoots with an Olympus 38/2.8. The macro one of course.


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315* wrote:
Hmm, so no-one uses the (famous) ZEISS S-Planar 60mm or 100mm?
Or the even more famous CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm ???


Actually I am, I have the Zeiss ZF 100 2.0 Makro Planar and the rare
Voigtländer 125mm 2.5 APO Lanthar SL I.

Beating every lens I had before (Tokina 90mm 2.5, Nikkor 105mm 4.0 AI, Nikkor 105mm 2.8 AF-S, Tamron SP 90mm 2.5 Adaptall, ... for example) effortless Like 1 small

Best lens there is - the Voigtländer 125mm 2.5 APO Lanthar SL I.
No aberrations, perfect resolution, perfect bokeh, it's a dream to use.


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dane03 wrote:
kds315* wrote:
Hmm, so no-one uses the (famous) ZEISS S-Planar 60mm or 100mm?
Or the even more famous CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm ???


Actually I am, I have the Zeiss ZF 100 2.0 Makro Planar and the rare
Voigtländer 125mm 2.5 APO Lanthar SL I.

Beating every lens I had before (Tokina 90mm 2.5 for example) effortless Like 1 small


That ZEISS ZF I had, sold it right away due to its awful CA, but agree about the CV 125 APO!!


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem with the Zeiss, it's really sharp even wide-open. But it can cause CA a lot.
There, and not only there, the APO Lanthar really shines. But there must be a reason for the
price tag, so I'm fine with that Rolling Eyes Like 1 small


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Himself wrote:
cooltouch wrote:
You know, all this discussion has reminded me of something that I believe I've mentioned before here.

John Shaw, a very well-known nature photographer here in the US, has published a series of books over the years. I have a few that date back to the 1980s I guess. In one of his books he discusses how he got somee high magnification shots. He shoots (shot) exclusively with Nikon gear and used Kodachrome 25 almost exclusively. So his macro shots always had great detail.

Anyway, to capture many of these shots, he would mount two lenses of different focal lengths together, but what he would do is reverse mount the shorter focal length lens onto the longer one. This required an adapter ring that was threaded on both sides. It makes things simpler if both lenses have the same filter diameter. This method is called "stacking." So, for example, Shaw would do things like mount a 50mm lens, reversed, to a 135mm lens. The magnification calculation is straight forward. Just divide the primary lens (the one attached to the camera) focal length by the secondary lens focal length. With the above example, the magnification ratio would be 2.7:1. Not too shabby, eh? And as you can quickly see, the wider the secondary lens is, the greater the magnification.

The great thing about stacking lenses is we all have more than one lens. All we need is a lens-to-lens adapter, which is easy enough to come by these days. One nice thing about the major camera/lens makers was they tended to keep the same filter size across a wide range of their optics, so this makes for easy stacking.


I don't see the practical aspect in this method. The contraption would be heavy. Very heavy even for a 1:1 magnification. At 3:1 it's almost pitch black. I'm thinking at least f/22. Most probably to be already into the diffraction zone. Heavy duty tripod and lightning are mandatory. Flat field? What's that?


Our own Dr Klaus Schmitt has written about this technique!

http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/2009/09/experiments-with-relay-lens-systems.html?m=1

http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/2010/04/close-to-ground-insect-vision.html


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the longest time the Vivitar Series 1 90mm was my go-to. I still prefer it's look.

But now the Canon 100L has taken over. Paired with the Life Size Converter, the lens is something like 170mm, and it achieves greater than 2:1 while still being able to focus out to six feet or so. With image stabilization to boot.


PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Deep wrote:
For the longest time the Vivitar Series 1 90mm was my go-to. I still prefer it's look.

But now the Canon 100L has taken over. Paired with the Life Size Converter, the lens is something like 170mm, and it achieves greater than 2:1 while still being able to focus out to six feet or so. With image stabilization to boot.


How can a manual focus lens have image stabilization?