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EwanD
Joined: 28 Dec 2016 Posts: 10 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:02 pm Post subject: 28mm and mid-40mm lenses to match Russians |
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EwanD wrote:
Hi guys,
First post on this forum - reaching out for some intel from you knowledgable folk.
I'm looking for two lenses - 28mm and 40-48mm (just shy of 50mm) - to match several longer Russian lenses I use for video work, in particular Helios 44-2 58mm, Jupiter-9 85mm and Tair-11A 135mm.
I'm looking to replicate their characteristics -
- Mid/low contrast
- Beautiful, golden flare; flares quite easily
- Warm, rich colour rendering
- Centre sharpness with acceptable corners, but not razor sharp edge-to-edge
- Smooth bokeh
- Fast-ish
- Good build quality
- Ideally in M42 mount, but open to any suggestions
I know the above features generally aren't sought-after for stills, but that 'Russian' look can be beautiful for video.
The challenge is finding 2 suitable lenses in these focal lengths.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts...
Thanks kindly,
Ewan |
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itsfozzy
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
The MIR 1B is a classic lens, very sharp and has all the qualities you're looking for - except it's not 28mm.
If you want a very sharp 28 / 3.5 with nice character, try the Takumar. They are common and cheap enough, and I think fairly easy to de-click.
I'm guessing you'd like to stick to M42 ? So another good 28 that I have is the Chinon Auto Reflex 28 / 2.8. It's possibly not as sharp as the Takumar, but that doesn't make it a bad lens, and it's another common and cheap lens.
And don't forget the classic Vivitar 28 / 2.8, which again is common, cheap and remarkably good.
Avoid the Japanese made Carl Zeiss Jena 28 / 2.8, it's tempting - but rubbish.
EDIT.
I forgot this gem....the Vivitar Series 1. VMC. 28 / 1.9. These are harder to find, more expensive, but so damn good. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
The MIR 1B is a classic lens, very sharp and has all the qualities you're looking for - except it's not 28mm.
If you want a very sharp 28 / 3.5 with nice character, try the Takumar. They are common and cheap enough, and I think fairly easy to de-click.
I'm guessing you'd like to stick to M42 ? So another good 28 that I have is the Chinon Auto Reflex 28 / 2.8. It's possibly not as sharp as the Takumar, but that doesn't make it a bad lens, and it's another common and cheap lens.
And don't forget the classic Vivitar 28 / 2.8, which again is common, cheap and remarkably good.
Avoid the Japanese made Carl Zeiss Jena 28 / 2.8, it's tempting - but rubbish.
EDIT.
I forgot this gem....the Vivitar Series 1. VMC. 28 / 1.9. These are harder to find, more expensive, but so damn good. |
Good thoughts from Lloyd.
I will also add the Meyer Lydith 3.5/30 which, I think, might fit your needs nicely.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The older Hexanon 3.5/28, a truly superb lens, I say older one because you want flare and the older ones have single coating and do flare quite a bit.
Then there's the Hexanon 2.8/35, which is probably even better, again an older one with single coating.
Neither is M42 though. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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EwanD
Joined: 28 Dec 2016 Posts: 10 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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EwanD wrote:
Geez, totally forgot I never replied to you guys, sorry!
Thanks so much for your feedback - very much appreciated.
Mir-1B purchased and I love it. Now just to tick the 28mm box...
Suggestions are all great, however, I'd like something at least f2.8 and yeh, M42 mount would really suit my other lenses.
Therefore, not sure if the Hexanon or Meyer Lydith would suit, and Takumar is probably a touch too sharp to match.
The 2 Vivitar options sound pretty interesting though.
Anyone got further info on their 'look'? Is the Series-1 worth the extra $$?
Are they suitable for cine-modding?
Thanks heaps,
Ewan |
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EwanD
Joined: 28 Dec 2016 Posts: 10 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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EwanD wrote:
What about the Vivitar 28mm f2.5 M42?
Anyone have experience with this lens?
Thanks! |
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planet.groove
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 73 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: |
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planet.groove wrote:
EwanD wrote: |
What about the Vivitar 28mm f2.5 M42?
Anyone have experience with this lens?
Thanks! |
there is an early 8 blade preset version with clickless aperture in t-mount. it would be perfect for filming
i think. and you will have good bokeh, flare, mid/low contrast.
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:24 am Post subject: Re: 28mm and mid-40mm lenses to match Russians |
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Lightshow wrote:
EwanD wrote: |
Hi guys,
First post on this forum - reaching out for some intel from you knowledgable folk.
I'm looking for two lenses - 28mm and 40-48mm (just shy of 50mm) - to match several longer Russian lenses I use for video work, in particular Helios 44-2 58mm, Jupiter-9 85mm and Tair-11A 135mm.
I'm looking to replicate their characteristics -
- Mid/low contrast
- Beautiful, golden flare; flares quite easily
- Warm, rich colour rendering
- Centre sharpness with acceptable corners, but not razor sharp edge-to-edge
- Smooth bokeh
- Fast-ish
- Good build quality
- Ideally in M42 mount, but open to any suggestions
I know the above features generally aren't sought-after for stills, but that 'Russian' look can be beautiful for video.
The challenge is finding 2 suitable lenses in these focal lengths.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts...
Thanks kindly,
Ewan |
Fast-ish = f2.8
Pentacon 29/2.8 or Carl Zeiss Jena P 29/2.8 (not the 28/2.8 licensed Japanese version- blue writing near mount). http://forum.mflenses.com/pentacon-29mm-f2-8-m42-sony-a7r-36mp-big-files-t75103.html
Mir 10a 28/3.5 (Mir 10M)
Auto-Revuenon 28/3.5
ENNA Lithagon 28mm f/3.5
Mir 24M 35/2 http://forum.mflenses.com/mc-mir-24-n-or-m-35mm-f-2-t74639.html _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I don't know the russian lenses you mentioned, but i know the German originals from where the russian lenses were copied. While the original Biotar 5.8cm 1:2 at f2 is a rather low-performing lens (especially in the corners), the 85mm 1:2 and 135mm 1:4 Sonnars are quite sharp even in todays standards. So your request is slightly confusing me
However, if you want a 28mm 1:2.8 lens that resembles the Biotar (and probably also the Helios 44-2), you might look into early (1965-1975) third party 28mm lenses (the lenses from OEM were quite sharp right from the beginning).
Recently i got a Tokina 2.8/28mm (this one: http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_634.html ) which has much more flare and distinctively more corner problems than the typical 1965 Minolta/Canon/Nikon 28mm lens. It might be what you are looking for, since it is not "unsharp", but "low contrast" and with lots of astigmatism.
The 28mm Rokkors are summarized here:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Vivitar Series 1. VMC. 28 / 1.9. Sharp, fast and great character. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
There are a number of 40mm lenses which would fit the bill: Schneider Isogon, Steinheil Cassaron, CZJ Tessar, I think there's a Meyer 40mm lens too, but I can't recall the name at the moment. I think they're all preset or fully manual aperture lenses. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Vivitar Series 1. VMC. 28 / 1.9. Sharp, fast and great character. |
I support that proposal!
Mos6502 wrote: |
There are a number of 40mm lenses which would fit the bill: Schneider Isogon, Steinheil Cassaron, CZJ Tessar, I think there's a Meyer 40mm lens too, but I can't recall the name at the moment. I think they're all preset or fully manual aperture lenses. |
unfortunately all rather slow _________________ Klaus - Admin
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
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Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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EwanD
Joined: 28 Dec 2016 Posts: 10 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: 28mm and mid-40mm lenses to match Russians |
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EwanD wrote:
I don't know the russian lenses you mentioned, but i know the German originals from where the russian lenses were copied. While the original Biotar 5.8cm 1:2 at f2 is a rather low-performing lens (especially in the corners), the 85mm 1:2 and 135mm 1:4 Sonnars are quite sharp even in todays standards. So your request is slightly confusing me Wink
However, if you want a 28mm 1:2.8 lens that resembles the Biotar (and probably also the Helios 44-2), you might look into early (1965-1975) third party 28mm lenses (the lenses from OEM were quite sharp right from the beginning).
Recently i got a Tokina 2.8/28mm (this one: http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_634.html ) which has much more flare and distinctively more corner problems than the typical 1965 Minolta/Canon/Nikon 28mm lens. It might be what you are looking for, since it is not "unsharp", but "low contrast" and with lots of astigmatism.
The 28mm Rokkors are summarized here:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
Vivitar Series 1. VMC. 28 / 1.9. Sharp, fast and great character.[/quote]
Hi guys,
Thanks again to all of you for your advice - you're legends!
After a bunch of research and tests, I'm thinking the Vivitar Series-1 VMC 28mm f1.9 is the lens I'm looking for, now just to find one in M42 mount.
Anyone out there willing to part with theirs??
Thanks again! |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
no, not me for sure, I keep my 1.9/28mm _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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