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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject: best lens+camera combo lineup Reply with quote

hi everyone!

after being absorbed for a long time in the digital world I'm making a comeback to the 35mm...thanks to fuji and their wonderful analogic dials....

and seeing so many cheap bodies and lenses I decided to start over my collection from scratch and build it like this:


- only mechanical bodies (or at least that they work without battery)

- each body has one lens

- each brand the most iconic or best item in the affordable league

- try to avoid repetition in focal length for the lenses (try to...Supertak 50 1.4 is a must...but I have the k50 1.2 that also is a must...



I was a Pentaxian so Pentax is where I started


I'll post what I have and what I'm looking for and advices are more than welcome as I don't know very much the other brands.

can you help me build this?


Already have:

Pentax K2 + K50 1.2
Pentax MX + K35 3.5
Pentax MX + M40 2.8 (first one to be sold to finance other buys)

Minolta SRT-101 + NO LENS

Olympus OM-10+ 50 1.8 (it's my mother's first camera, so it's a keeper for sentimental reasons)


Plans for Next buy:

Rokkor MD 24 2.8 for the 101
Minolta SRT-303 + 35-70 f3.5 Macro

Olympus OM-1 + 28 f2
Olympus OM-1N + LENS

Pentax Spotmatic + 50 f1.4
Pentax Spotmatic F + 85 f1.8
Pentax KX+ LENS

Konica (which combos? 40 1.8?)

Fujica ST-801 + which lens?



so I'd have covered 24, 28, 35, 40, 50, 85, plus a zoom (I'm a primes guy, but I read marvellous thing about the 35-70)

I'd like to add a Rokkor more (fall in love with the sytstem...), add a 50 macro and a longer macro, something around the 100 and a 135.


any more brand of cameras to consider? I saw a post of best lens for each brand but it was hard to make a conclusion as the price was not a limit...



thank you all!!!!


PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: best lens+camera combo lineup Reply with quote

mmoro wrote:
hi everyone!

after being absorbed for a long time in the digital world ... seeing so many cheap bodies and lenses I decided to start over my collection from scratch


That's a dangerous decision. But it'll be lots of fun.

I've some knowledge on the Minolta SR system, and i would suggest the following:

* Since you only want "manual" SLR, you're limited to the SR and SR-T series
* the SR-T series was manufactured in many variants, and you can combine them correctly - depending on their age - with MC-I, MC-II, MC-X and MD-I type lenses.
* the tactile feeling and smooth focusing of the MC-X lenses is legendary
* the most beautiful MC-X lenses are
MC-X 2.8/21mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/140-minolta-21mm-f28
MC-X 2.8/24mm (early heavy MC!): http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/143-minolta-24mm-f28
MC-X 2.5/28mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/146-minolta-28mm-f25
MC-X 1.8/35mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/149-minolta-35mm-f18
MC-X 1.4/50mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/155-minolta-50mm-f14
MC-X 1.2/58mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/236-minolta-58mm-f12
MC-X 1.7/85mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/161-minolta-85mm-f17
MC-X 2.5/100mm: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/165-minolta-100mm-f25
MC-X 4.5/200mm is extremly well made as well, but the later MC-X 4/200mm is sharper: http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/177-minolta-200mm-f45

There are quite a few Konica cameras - T, T2, T3, T4 - which fit into your search. I would go for the classical primes (1.4/57mm and 1.7/50mm for T and T2, 1.4/50mm for T3, and maybe an 1.8/40mm for T4). Of course there's nothing wrong with the 7-lens 3.5/28mm Hexanons, or the 3.2 and 2.5/135mm lenses. All these lenses are extremely cheap now (10 ... 50 CHF/EUR/USD).

A zoom even better than the Minolta 3.5/35.70mm is the classical Nikkor AiS 3.5/35-70mm (62mm filter thread). It was extremely expensive at its time, costing as much as an Canon F-1new or a Nikon F3. Or nearly twice as much as a FD 2/135mm!

Stephan


PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, welcome here! The two best Minolta resources are:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive
and
http://minolta.eazypix.de/lenses/index.html

I can already suggest that if you want the MD lenses for better image quality, then probably you can find the last MD-III 24/2.8 a bit cheaper than the oldest MC lens. Otherwise I believe the others are the same scheme as the MC-X lens. I own the earliest MC-X and I can say it's already detailed to the extreme corners at F5.6 on film - but some very minor CA's can muddy up the edges on colour images but, this may matter a lot less on consumer films like Fujifilm C200 which are quite grainy. Either way, it's an easy thing to correct in post. Here are my first 3 shots: http://forum.mflenses.com/mangrove-sunset-minolta-24mm-f2-8-srt-102-ektar-100-t77095.html

You will have to click on the images to open in a separate window and click again to zoom to 1:1 to clear the images up.

As for 135/2.8, well even the 3.5's are very good. You will want a MD 4/4 (elements/groups) but I guess the 4/4 MC-X is basically the same. The 4/4 135 3.5's are certainly better than the early 135/2.8's - not sure if they are all the same quality over the years though. I've also read the 5/5 Celtics are a popular choice but the coatings are more basic as well as the build quality.

The 100/2.5 would also be an excellent choice from Minolta but perhaps too close and too slow compared to 85? I guess you want to fill that space with a macro anyway. I think I saw a Bokina in Minolta mount once too, or a Bokina derivative. I regret not buying one when it was only $100 lol... I spent so much on the macro for my digital camera and didn't use that enough as is, though.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you both

"I've some knowledge on the Minolta SR system" stevemark you're the master of minolta, not only you have "some knowledge" hahaha

I'm in switzerland too, but in Tessin, so we have almost no shops here...

I see Minolta system is well regarded...I can see why. so many outstanding lenses...the 35 1.8 definitely has some character.


for the 24, I put MD-I or MD-II version as I only saw that one in ebay and other places..I'll try to find an MC-X then..

so if you had to couple lens for these cameras, and restrict that selection to three (not thinking on what I already have) what would it be?

SRT101+LENS
SRT202+LENS
SRT303+LENS

for Konica I agree, I'll try to do T+57 and T4+40

I'm a little lost on Oly and FUjica. everyone talks wonders about the oly 28f2, but apart from that what do we have that is a gem? for fujica m42 I don't know...maybe use that body for russian lenses?



anyway thank you all for this support. it's much more fun to start a collection (that works) with all the knowledge that floats here!


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmoro wrote:


I see Minolta system is well regarded...I can see why. so many outstanding lenses...the 35 1.8 definitely has some character.


Well, I like mine a lot. Unfortunately most of my first film photos were out of focus because the aperture blades were oily and not closing down fast enough... so I can tell you it has decent bokeh for a wideangle! Focus transitions are very smooth too. Very high quality wide open. Some shots weren't as sharp as I expected but it's due to my often 1/60 shutter speed no doubt. Possibly also caused an inaccuracy screwing the front and rear groups back in after cleaning the aperture but I'm not sure if that's possible...

mmoro wrote:

for the 24, I put MD-I or MD-II version as I only saw that one in ebay and other places..I'll try to find an MC-X then..


Make sure you get the first version (denoted by the -SI suffix on the namering) if you want a brass focus helicoid. Even without it I'm not sure it'd be a big deal since the focus throw is only about 42 degrees. Having said that, it's my smoothest moving lens.

mmoro wrote:

so if you had to couple lens for these cameras, and restrict that selection to three (not thinking on what I already have) what would it be?

SRT101+LENS
SRT202+LENS
SRT303+LENS



This is easy for me because it's the only system/brand I own. I'd say, either 24, 35 and 58/100 - or - 35, 58, 100/135.

It depends what you do and I do a bit of everything, sometimes in the same day. The 35 is excellent for portraits or landscapes. The 58 can easily replace a longer portrait lens and I've used it nicely for tight landscapes/spotscapes (eg. rivers, camping areas, looking down onto rocks/subject). The 24 would strictly be for landscapes and interiors of buildings where the 35 isn't suitable unless you can't boost the ISO and need the aperture to even get the photo. On the other hand, even at 58mm and a large enough space, you could use the 58 indoors.

The 100 is obviously nice for portraits and really detailed when shooting similar cropped/tight landscape shots (like in a city-garden) and abstract/detail architecture shots. I actually find 135mm too long and at F2.8, I'm losing a stop for no good reason - but, 90mm is my portrait lens on digital so perhaps that's part of why I prefer the 100 too. I've not noticed lateral CA's on my 100/2 yet (I know they are relatively reduced compared to later lenses - it's based on the older 135/2.Cool while I notice CA even at F4 on my 135 on all whites, highlights and metallics. Probably not noticeable unless you shoot the subject under direct sunlight.

About the first MC-X 24/2.8 - it's most annoying to correct the CA all over the field even when the subject is in shade, not because they are exactly obvious but because the image does seem less crisp/defined. However, the results are worth the price of admission! Perhaps later lenses do not have this issue...


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Srt are amazing, all mechanical even the latest srt100x is really good, built like tank, heavy and reliable, but I've add an XD7/11 to the group lately, a very nice compact camera



talking about lenses there are many good performer on the SR line, my personal suggestion is:

21/2.8 NL
24/2.8
28/2.5 SI
50/1.4 (a planar like, better than a contax planar)
85/1.7
135/2.8 4 elements


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmoro wrote:
thank you both

SRT101+LENS
SRT202+LENS
SRT303+LENS



wide to normal
SRT101+21/2.8 or 24/2.8
SRT202+28/2.5 SI
SRT303+50/1.4 or 58/1.4

wide to tele
SRT101+24/2.8
SRT202+50/1.4
SRT303+85/1.7 or 135/2.8


PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thank you all.

I made up the new list that have less holes than the first one.

Just some missing things that I hope you can help me fill.


So:

Pentax K2 + k50 1.2
Pentax MX + k35 3.5
(Eventually)
Pentax k2DMD + ?
Pentax Spotmatic F + ?

Minolta SRT101 + MC 24 2.8
Minolta SRT303 + MC 85 1.7 (maybe too expensive)
Minolta SRT202 + MC 35 1.8

Olympus OM1n + 28 f2 (maybe too expensive)
Olympus OM1 + any macro / or 100 2.8

Fujica ST801 + Helios/jupiter/czj m42 lens with very peculiar effect (hints?)

Konica T + 57 1.4
Konica T3n + ?


So I'm missing only a 135, an m42, an hexanon and hope to find the oly28 and rokkor 85 on a decent price.

Any suggestions for replacement of these two in case I can't sell an organ for them?


PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll keep this simple albeit perhaps not so affordable for my choices. I'm wondering however what is meant by "affordable league."

The body in all instances will be a Canon FTbn

All lens are the first series of Canon FD, aka "breechlock"

7.5mm f/5.6 SSC
15mm f/2.8 SSC
17mm f/4 SSC
20MM f/4 SSC
24mm f/1.4 SSC Asph
28mm f/2 SSC
35mm f/2 SSC
55mm f/1.2 SSC Asph
85mm f/1.2 SSC Asph
100mm f/2.8 SSC
135mm f/2.5 SC
200mm f/2.8 SSC
300mm f/2.8 SSC
400mm f/4.5 SSC
500mm f/4.5L
600mm f/4.5 SSC
800mm f/5.6 SSC

Hozzat?


PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmoro wrote:
Ok thank you all.

Minolta SRT303 + MC 85 1.7 (maybe too expensive)

So I'm missing only a 135, an m42, an hexanon and hope to find the oly28 and rokkor 85 on a decent price.

Any suggestions for replacement of these two in case I can't sell an organ for them?


Why not 135mm F2.8 Rokkor as opposed to 85/1.7? I suggest 4/4 elements/groups MC-X or MD models. Or, many of the 135/3.5 4/4 lenses are equally good. http://minolta.eazypix.de/lenses/index.html

Or, the Rokkor 105mm F2.5 is very cheap for its quality. The 85/1.7 will not be as sharp as the 105 until F2.8 or later. Reeve has reviewed both the MD and MC models, as well as the 85. You could always look at the MD 85/2 - it's a much sharper lens and was much more expensive back in the day when it was released - but perhaps the build quality/smoothness of focus could be a bit disappointing. Build quality is why I never bought any MD lens but I've also never tried one out. Always MC - even if the focus is not as smooth due to age, but with the brass helicoid it's always something new grease can resolve.

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/minolta-mc-tele-rokkor-100mm-12-5-review/
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-minolta-md-100mm-12-5/
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-minolta-mc-rokkor-85mm-11-7/


PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmoro wrote:
thank you both

"I've some knowledge on the Minolta SR system" stevemark you're the master of minolta,

Definitely not. Persons like Andrea Apra or Dennis Lohmann have much more profound knowledge of the Minolta SR system. I do have a little bit experience with lenses, and i happily share it, but that's all.

mmoro wrote:

I'm in Switzerland too, but in Tessin, so we have almost no shops here...

Cool. I used to got there quite often, by train - but since the San Gottardo Base Tunnel was opened, the train ride is not much fun any more, sadly... But we might meet in Ticino, if you like (PM me in case). I'm sure i have a few spare Minolta lenses and bodies ...
mmoro wrote:

I see Minolta system is well regarded...I can see why. so many outstanding lenses...the 35 1.8 definitely has some character.

I think i have two MC 1.8/35mm Wink

mmoro wrote:

so if you had to couple lens for these cameras, and restrict that selection to three (not thinking on what I already have) what would it be?

SRT101+LENS
SRT202+LENS
SRT303+LENS


For photography, or for the shelf??

Photography (i love 20mm and 200mm!):
SRT101+ MC-X 1.2/58mm
SRT202+MC-X 4/200mm
SRT303+MC-X 2.8/21mm

For the shelf it might be as well something like that:
SRT101+MC-X 1.8/35mm
SRT202+MC-X 1.4/50mm
SRT303+MC-X 1.7/85mm

mmoro wrote:
it's much more fun to start a collection (that works) with all the knowledge that floats here!

Oh yes, it is fun! For me, though, part of the fun is that i never know what comes next. I'm not really hunting anything, to be honest. Today it was a rare Canon FD 4/35-70mm AF ... found in charity shop. It will be interesting to put it on my Canon F-1 new Wink

Stephan[/i]


PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

while digging on second hand webs, ebays, auctions and so I managed to buy some items at a ridiculous prize. other normal prize but still good


- for minolta I found a mc-x 24 2.8 and a mc-II 35 1.8 (this comes also with an mc-II 200 3.5...is it good?) [less than 50€ for the 35+200!] so now I'm missing bodies

- for olympus an OM1n with 28 3.5 that looks very sharp and with it an 85-250 f5 zoom with tripod collar that is going straight to ebay (don't like zooms).

- then two Konica bodies are coming, a T with what look like junk lenses and a T3n with a 57 1.4

- I gambled on a Spotmatic F for 25€ and see in what conditions it arrives

and I'm watching a stunning Fujica 801 in black and with some lenses, plus I finally found an auction of the takumar 50 1.4 in the 8 elements version (let's hope it stays at a low price so I can afford it)




and maybe it's time to clarify the camera's are not going to rest on a shelf and just look at them... I'm an artist and I work mainly with light, and the analogue approach to photography is part of a new side project I'm working on. As I work with LEDs that are pretty much a new technology and are emitting light in a purest way than ever, I'm very interested to see what reflects on the 35mm film. Digital cameras are very easy to trick and tune in white balance and the technology is aligned with my source of lights (but with a lot of algorithms in the middle of the perception of the captured image), but old cameras without electronic are the most straightforward method to catch what happens in my sculptures.

then after investigating on prices, I found out I can build quite a peculiar bunch of systems that are pretty unique and different between each others. having different "eyes" that captures the same image in a different way is very appealing to me.



so the line up for starters is shaping like this (italic is not still in my hands but wanted):

Pentax K2 + k50 1.2
Pentax MX + k35 3.5
Pentax Spotmatic F + takumar to be decided

Minolta SRT101 + MC 24 2.8
Minolta SRT??? + MC 35 1.8
Minolta SRT??? + MC 100 2.5 Teemō thanks for the hint, looks like a wonderful lens

Olympus OM1n + 28 f3.5
Olympus OM1 + 50 3.5 macro

Fujica ST801 + Jupìter 9
Konica T + 57 1.4
Konica T3n + hexanon to be decided


probably the 135 is going to be an hexanon [if they're good] as I have already too many rokkors, and I have doubts on what to match with the olympus instead of the 28 3.5 that is a tad too slow and competes with the pentax 35 3.5 (I'd love some of the f2 lenses but my budget for this project is almost over Very Happy)


this has been fun and not too pricey for the moment, thank to you guys!!

I'll let you know for next updates!


PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no such thing as too many Rokkors (or any other lens). Laugh 1

Your work sounds interesting, too!


PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget....

Canon F1
Canon F1(n)
Canon EF

Nikon F
Nikon F2

Leica R6
Leica R6.2

There'll be a few more to add of course.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

off course. but as a pentaxian and fujiman I kind of hate nikon and canon Laugh 1 Laugh 1 Laugh 1


PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olympus OM-1n + OM Zuiko 55/1.2 and Leica R6 + Summicron 50/2 E55
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