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Eriksen
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Eriksen wrote:
This one is for sale now for about 32 usd included shipping. Will that be a good deal?
https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=93953437&ref=conversation&fks=93953437 |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
I'd say the 28/2.5, even bettere than the later 28/2 _________________ TELLTALE
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Rick1779 wrote: |
I'd say the 28/2.5, even bettere than the later 28/2 |
I'd not say - but let's wait a few days until i have pubished the results from three 2.5/28mm and from three 2/28mm (later version)
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
The MDIII 28 f2.0. How could you possibly find 3 versions? I could only find an earlier MD W rokkor version _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:44 am Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
memetph wrote: |
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Yesterday I tested my MD II 28 3.5 . It is inferior to the 2.5 SI and the Pentax K 3.5. Corners are weaker and there is some CA.
The 2.5 SI is really good. I have to get rid of this yellow cast which generates too much work in PP. |
I'll have to check Minolta MC and MD 3.5/28mm [5/5] performance again. Both computations of the earlier MC 3.5/28mm [7/7] are softer than the later [5/5], though. Tomorrow i'll have some time;)
Yesterday i compared the MC-X 2.5/28mm, MC-X 2/28mm, and MD-III 2/28mm for corner resolution on 24MP FF. The 2.5/28mm was worst, the MC 2/28mm visibly better and the MD-III 2/28mm was best. Since i have three 2.5/28mm (MC-I, MC-II, and MC-X), and since they behave nearly identically, i'm pretty sure the findings about the 2.5/28mm are valid.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:01 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
I have perhaps a very good copy. I have to say that I judge corner sharpness of those 28mm when I stop them down ( f5.6 or f
I just bought a MD 28 2,8 ( 49mm) as I am looking for a good compact 28mm to marry my Rollei Planar 50 1.8 and Sonar 85 2,8. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
memetph wrote: |
... as I am looking for a good compact 28mm to marry my Rollei Planar 50 1.8 and Sonar 85 2,8. |
Zeiss C/Y Distagon 2.8/28? or the Distagon 2.5/25mm, which in reality is a 2.8/26mm?
They both have a bit field curvature, but other aberrations (including CAs) are rather well corrected. I would not consider them "extraordinary", but both are solid performers, and both have slightly less CAs than the average Minolta/Canon/Nikon MF lens of that era.
I recently used the Apo-Distagon 1.4/28mm ("Otus") and the C/Y Distagon 2.8/28mm side by side.
At f11 on 24PM FF, there was not much difference any more.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
The MDIII 28 f2.0. How could you possibly find 3 versions? I could only find an earlier MD W rokkor version |
Sorry, my writing was not clear! I meant "three copies" of that [9/9] computation. _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I have added some information on the 28mm Rokkors on my website, using the 24MP FF Sony A7:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
All eight known computations are described:
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 67mm filter (AR / MC-I)
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 55mm filter (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 3.5/28mm [5/5] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [7/7] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [5/5] (MD-III)
* 2.5/28mm [9/7] (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 2/28mm [10/9], floating element (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II)
* 2/28mm [9/9], floating element (MD-III; same optical formula as later AF 2/28mm)
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Eriksen
Joined: 15 Nov 2016 Posts: 153
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Eriksen wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
I have added some information on the 28mm Rokkors on my website, using the 24MP FF Sony A7:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
All eight known computations are described:
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 67mm filter (AR / MC-I)
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 55mm filter (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 3.5/28mm [5/5] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [7/7] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [5/5] (MD-III)
* 2.5/28mm [9/7] (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 2/28mm [10/9], floating element (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II)
* 2/28mm [9/9], floating element (MD-III; same optical formula as later AF 2/28mm)
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The MD-III 28mm f2 is the best of these lenses, but how is it compared to the Rokkor SI 28/2.5 as somebody regarded as the best in the start of this thread? |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Eriksen wrote: |
stevemark wrote: |
I have added some information on the 28mm Rokkors on my website, using the 24MP FF Sony A7:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
All eight known computations are described:
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 67mm filter (AR / MC-I)
* 3.5/28mm [7/7], 55mm filter (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 3.5/28mm [5/5] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [7/7] (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II / MD-III)
* 2.8/28mm [5/5] (MD-III)
* 2.5/28mm [9/7] (MC-I / MC-II / MC-X)
* 2/28mm [10/9], floating element (MC-X / MD-I / MD-II)
* 2/28mm [9/9], floating element (MD-III; same optical formula as later AF 2/28mm)
Stephan |
The MD-III 28mm f2 is the best of these lenses, but how is it compared to the Rokkor SI 28/2.5 as somebody regarded as the best in the start of this thread? |
I have published two tests with the 28mm Rokkors:
* 28mm Rokkors on 16 MP APS-C http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/330-nex-5n-und-28mm-objektive
* 28mm Rokkors on 24 MP FF http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/506-minolta-mc-md-28mm-lenses-on-24mp-full-frame
Both tests include the Rokkor SI 28/2.5 (MC-I, MC-II, and MC-X versions shown in the first test, only MC-X version shown in the second test). You may want to look at them again
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:58 am Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
Let me share my five cents among the huge amount of 28mm lenses tests:
This is a "fresh" battle between:
Rokkor MC I 28mm 1:3.5
Rokkor MC II 28mm 1:3.5
Rokkor MC II 28mm 1:2.5
New-MD (MD III) 28mm 1:3.5
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 834
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
I own an MC 28 2,5 and a md II 28 3,5.
In the central area the 2,5 is stunning and far exceeds an A7II sensor.
The 3,5 seems somehow behind since corner sharpness is apparently not much better and central sharpness a little bit lower. However not the same blur as the SI. It is all about field curvature on the 3,5 and if you focus for the corner even f 4 is very nice.
Lenses to be used according to their characteristics. When I travel I tend to grab the 3,5 for weight. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 834
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:43 am Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
I would also recommend not to disregard 24 35 3,5 MD zoom since central sharpness is also excellent. Angles are not perfect and f6,7 is a plus but then you have versatility. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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gaeger
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 715 Location: Brier, Wash.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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gaeger wrote:
I've only own the 7-element 28mm f2.8 version. But it seems to do great. I really like it, though having the later version with 49mm filter ring would be convenient to match my 50mm and 135mm.
_________________ "Here's to the wonder" -- Alan Boyle
Nikkor/Nikon 20, 24, 28, 35, 50, 55, 85, 105, 135, 180, 200, 300, 400, 10-20, 18-35, 18-55, 28-50, 28-70, 24-85, 35-200, 50-300, 75-150, 80-200, 70-210, 70-300
Minolta Rokkor 24, 28, 35, 45, 50, 58, 100, 135, 300
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cbass
Joined: 27 Jul 2019 Posts: 441
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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cbass wrote:
I haven't tried all of them.
However, my best 28mm are the Minolta 28mm f/2.5 SI and Vivitar 28mm f/2 Close Focus made by Komine which isn't a Minolta but can be found in Minolta mount. I use both on APS-C so I can't say how corner sharpness is on FF. |
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paulhofseth
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 566 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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paulhofseth wrote:
No mention of the Leica M mount 28 for the CLE ??
p. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:10 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
paulhofseth wrote: |
No mention of the Leica M mount 28 for the CLE ??
p. |
The question is the general usefulness of such RF wide angle lenses on mirrorless digital cameras. Several digital sensors suffer from the short distance betw. rear lens and sensor.
The lens itself may perform very nicely on film but maybe troublesome on specific digital cameras. A general statement about it's performance is therefore rather difficult. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Mr. Disjointed
Joined: 06 Jul 2020 Posts: 13
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paulhofseth
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 566 Location: Norway
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:23 pm Post subject: 28M works on Leitz |
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paulhofseth wrote:
Further to the comment about digital devices and the Minolta M mount 28mm for the CLE-;
I tried it on my Leitz Lmount TL camera. No electronic corrections, since no coding on the lens; colours & corner sharpness & worked as well as with my 50mm summicron. Admittedly the TL camera has a smaller sensor than the digital Leitz SL so the extremities of the image circle on that body may turn out to be different to results on film.
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
memetph wrote: |
I have the MC 28 3.5 SG (55mm) which is definitely not as good as the 2.5 .
I have the MD W 28 3.5(49mm) which a good lens but with high CA in the corners.
I prefer my MC 28 2.5 to them .
I'll try to make a comparison between the MD , the MC 2.5 and my Pentax beloved K 28 3.5. |
Ah I now understand why you say the 28 mm 2.5 is the best... the best of the 3 you have...
But not as good as the MD III 28 f 2 though _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 834
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
After some more use it seems to me that the outbound field curvature of the MDIII 28 3,5 get reduced at long distances, so typical landscape use.
That seems to be a smart decision from the designers since I do not foresee many cases where you would take a picture of a flat subject near MFD.
At F6,7 8 corners are really fine but one must remember that like most Minolta's wide angles I have tested there is focus shift and focusing at working aperture brings in a lot of sharpness.
So, considering these aspects, it seems to me that last MD 3,5 is a real bargain without compromises quality-wise. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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lumens pixel
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
What about MDIII 28 2,8 5/5:
[img]Cube et manches à air | Cube and Windsocks by lumens pixel, sur Flickr[/img] _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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lumens pixel
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
Same lens...
[img]DSC00131ra_01 by lumens pixel, sur Flickr[/img] _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
Looks excellent to me 👍👍👍 |
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