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Victor076
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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:49 am Post subject: Choice of optics 80-700 or 70-200 |
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Victor076 wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for my very academic English.
I am looking for a manual 70-210 or 80-200 optics to mount on an A7R. Can you guide me knowing that I love bokeh and I bring great importance to it.
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Lloydy wrote:
I love the Vivitar Series 1. 70-210 / 2.8-4 it's been my 70-210 of choice for a long time. I also have the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 / 3.5, which a lot of people say is better? if it is, it's marginal. I like them both but the f2.8 - f2.4 is my choice of Vivitars.
Recently I bought the Tamron SP 19AH 70-210 / 3.5, and it is excellent - maybe better than the Vivitars even? I'm certainly using it more.
It's a popular zoom length, I have a few in this range.
Yashica ML 80-200 / 4 Compact, constant aperture, very sharp, well made, common and reasonably cheap. Very under rated lens.
Soligor CD 70-210 / 3.5 very good, not as good as the Vivitars or Tamron, but better than average.
Tamron BBAR Z-220 70-220 / 3.5, another lens that's good, but maybe not excellent.
Miranda MC Macro 70-210 / 4.5- 5.6 very average, and slow.
Vivitar Macro Zoom 70-210 / 4.5 Not bad at all, constant aperture, compact, sharp enough and cheap.
Miranda MC Macro 75-200 / 4.5-5.3 Rubbish, not worth the postage to give it away.
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Mir wrote:
Bienvenue !
Lloyd is right, Vivitar Series 1. 70-210 / 2.8-4 and Tamron SP 19AH 70-210 / 3.5 are very, very good lenses.
I did find the Tamron 19AH big and heavy......
Although i seldom use zooms, I've fallen in love with a Minolta MD Zoom 4/70-210 lately....
I think it complements my Minolta MD 3.5/35-70 Macro very well.
Bonne chance !
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Gardener
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Gardener wrote:
Virtually every brand name offering in that range is very good. |
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
I love the Vivitar Series 1. 70-210 / 2.8-4 it's been my 70-210 of choice for a long time. I also have the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 / 3.5, which a lot of people say is better? if it is, it's marginal. I like them both but the f2.8 - f2.4 is my choice of Vivitars.
Recently I bought the Tamron SP 19AH 70-210 / 3.5, and it is excellent - maybe better than the Vivitars even? I'm certainly using it more.
It's a popular zoom length, I have a few in this range.
Yashica ML 80-200 / 4 Compact, constant aperture, very sharp, well made, common and reasonably cheap. Very under rated lens.
Soligor CD 70-210 / 3.5 very good, not as good as the Vivitars or Tamron, but better than average.
Tamron BBAR Z-220 70-220 / 3.5, another lens that's good, but maybe not excellent.
Miranda MC Macro 70-210 / 4.5- 5.6 very average, and slow.
Vivitar Macro Zoom 70-210 / 4.5 Not bad at all, constant aperture, compact, sharp enough and cheap.
Miranda MC Macro 75-200 / 4.5-5.3 Rubbish, not worth the postage to give it away. |
Lloyd's summary is a good guide.
I have used all other than the Mirandas, and I am glad that I missed them.
The best lens that I have owned in this category is the Canon FDn 80-200 f4 L.
Superb on film as well as digital
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Victor076
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Victor076 wrote:
Thank you.
For the vivitar there exist two versions Komine ( 28 ) or Cosina ( 9 ). What version should I privilege?
I know the reputation of the canon FD but, it is too expensive for me.
Minolta MD Zoom 4 / 70-210 I did not know him. I will check on the internet.
I discovered the Konica range, I also find it very good for fixed objectives. But I do not know what your zoom
Thank you for your feedback. |
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Oldhand wrote:
| Victor076 wrote: |
Thank you.
For the vivitar there exist two versions Komine ( 28 ) or Cosina ( 9 ). What version should I privilege?
I know the reputation of the canon FD but, it is too expensive for me.
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More than two versions.
The Komine version has the reported top spot among Vivitars, and yet the Kiron/Kino version is the one that constantly produces the images that show great quality on the web.
The Tokina version is also highly regarded.
The Cosina version is generally regarded as the weakest.
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tb_a wrote:
+1 for the Minolta 70-210/4 Zoom. It's one of the best and also available as Leitz for the Leica R (made by Minolta). However, the Leitz twin is much more expensive, though it's exactly the same lens.
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Victor076
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Victor076 wrote:
I only find cosina on the internet against a mimolta at 40 € on ebay in france. I put a bid. Thank you for your help. |
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| I only find cosina on the internet against a mimolta at 40 € on ebay in france. I put a bid. Thank you for your help. |
That's the correct (and best) version of the Minolta Zoom: Click here to see on Ebay
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Victor076
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Victor076 wrote:
My bid is here
Click here to see on Ebay |
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tb_a wrote:
 Good luck!
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Victor076
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Victor076 wrote:
Hello,
I won the auction, I took advantage to take it also another minolta Click here to see on Ebay |
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tb_a
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tb_a wrote:
 
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Antoine
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Antoine wrote:
Mir,
Superb pictures indeed!
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Mir
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Mir wrote:
Thanks !
I see you have the 4/70-210....
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LTM : CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, FUJI FILM CO. FUJINON L 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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marcusBMG wrote:
You can check out my comparison of the vivitars against the tamron 19AH here:
http://www.groupoids.org.uk/photography/TamronVSvivitar/70-210mm.html
I can remark that one of the most consistent performers on this test was the kiron zoomlock 70-210mm f4. And - sleeper alert - the adaptall x-210mm with the best resolution scores on adaptall-2.com is...the 70-210mm 46A!
I can also say that there are lots of decent performers in this zoom range if you look around, many in non-oem names and brands acquirable for peanuts. It was a very competitive sector of the lens market. For example I found a Promura 80-200 f3.9-4.9 to be very comparable in IQ with my adaptalls...
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Maybe it's too pricey but compared to those above, the Canon FD 80-200mm f4L is outstanding. Better than the beercan for sure. And lighter and easier to handle than the big Vivitars. I don't like to spend money on tele-zooms, but I was just astonished at how much better and easier to shoot the Canon was than the MD, Vivitar, Tamron, Nikon Series 1, and normal Canon FD zooms I tried. I've been getting rid of some of my other zooms ever since.
It is said that this zoom was better than many of the Canon telephoto primes of the time and there are a few tests online that suggest this. |
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devinw wrote:
I have the MD Zoom 70-210 f/4 (Pre-Minolta Beercan basically). It's very good but has serious CA, so keep that in mind. I also have the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 2.8-4 (Komine). From what I read, the Komine is one of the best ones. I think it's an amazing lens. Better than the Minolta, and it has a really usable macro feature. Here are some shots from the Vivitar:
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Choice of optics 80-700 or 70-200 |
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jamaeolus wrote:
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Hello,
Sorry for my very academic English.
I am looking for a manual 70-210 or 80-200 optics to mount on an A7R. Can you guide me knowing that I love bokeh and I bring great importance to it.
thank you very much |
I really like the beercan AF 70-210. It can be used manual but it also works AF on your camera with proper adapter, is macro capable and is very sharp. Well worth the 75 or so USD they cost.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Choice of optics 80-700 or 70-200 |
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Lloydy wrote:
| jamaeolus wrote: |
| Victor076 wrote: |
Hello,
Sorry for my very academic English.
I am looking for a manual 70-210 or 80-200 optics to mount on an A7R. Can you guide me knowing that I love bokeh and I bring great importance to it.
thank you very much |
I really like the beercan AF 70-210. It can be used manual but it also works AF on your camera with proper adapter, is macro capable and is very sharp. Well worth the 75 or so USD they cost. |
I recently bought the Sony LA-EA4 adaptor to use on my A6000 as I had a bunch of Minolta AF lenses that I wasn't using. I was impressed, both with the adaptor and the old Minolta AF glass, so I went and bought a 70-210 AF Beercan lens, and it's a terrific lens - it really does live up to its reputation.
I also bought another Vivitar S1 70-210 / 2.8-4 Komine the other day, forgetting I already that version  so I might sell one. 
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devinw wrote:
I was under the impression the Minolta MD 70-210 f/4 had the same optics as the Beercan AF. No?
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tb_a
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tb_a wrote:
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| I was under the impression the Minolta MD 70-210 f/4 had the same optics as the Beercan AF. No? |
Yes, the "beercan" is optically the same lens with added AF capabilities. Most probably even the coatings are the same. The MF version was introduced 1983 and the AF version in 1985.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:11 am Post subject: Another contender - Canon FD 80-200 F4L |
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Both shots wide open.
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Oldhand wrote:
The Canon is a superb lens, but can be a little expensive.
If you are on a budget, another lens that deserves a look because it normally sells so cheaply is the SMC Pentax-M f4.5 80-200
It has mixed reviews from posters on the internet but I have found it to be quite wonderful.
It is also quite a lot lighter than other zooms in this range and matches nicely with mirrorless cameras and smaller SLRs
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