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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 973 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:16 am Post subject: MINOLTA MC W. ROKKOR-X 2.8/21 |
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Mir wrote:
MINOLTA MC W. ROKKOR-X 2.8/21
1974 - MC X - 72∅ - 6 Blades - MFD 25cm
Used it a couple of times last fall....
_________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, FUJI FILM CO. FUJINON L 2/5cm
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:21 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
Great samples! I'd love to know how it compares to the MD 2.8/20 (besides that 1mm difference). _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:54 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
TrueLoveOne wrote: |
Great samples! I'd love to know how it compares to the MD 2.8/20 (besides that 1mm difference). |
I found different statements on that but I've never seen a direct comparison.
Stephan from Artaphot who tested both versions (also on FF) stated that the optical quality is more or less the same; i.e. that the 21mm lens is not better than the later 20mm construction. The difference in size and weight (the 21mm lens is almost double of the 20mm one) may also play a role for selecting the "right" lens. The legendary reputation of the 21mm lens is primarily caused by being the first lens like this ever (with floating elements), i.e. there was nothing comparable from the competition when this lens was introduced the first time in 1968 (version MC II).
For economical reasons I preferred to go for the Minolta AF 20mm lens instead. It's available for almost the half price of those older lenses and the optical quality is comparable (most probably better). _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
I found different statements on that but I've never seen a direct comparison.
Stephan from Artaphot who tested both versions (also on FF) stated that the optical quality is more or less the same; i.e. that the 21mm lens is not better than the later 20mm construction. |
Exactly.
The 21mm is being compared to the Zeiss Distagon. I do have the MD 2.8/20, very happy with it, but never had the opportunity to either buy the Zeiss or the Minolta 21mm. But the collector in me wants the 21mm as well some day! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
Vwry nice pictures!
I got my MD R 20mm 2.8 for about 100€ in mint condition, so did not hesitate. I am very happy with it as it is very light and compact.
I read Philip Reeve comparison where it underperformed with the Canon which fares much better... but did not see any problem with my lens. Bad sample? I don't know but when I need wide angle this is either this one or the MD 24 f2.8 MDII.
And for ultra wide, I sometimes combine Zhonghi turbo 2, MD 20mm and Olympus 0.8* wide conversion lens I bought when the first Olympus digital camera came out (5 Mpix) which screws with 55 mm diameter...to great effect... not for architectural though. _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
And for ultra wide, I sometimes combine Zhonghi turbo 2, MD 20mm and Olympus 0.8* wide conversion lens I bought when the first Olympus digital camera came out (5 Mpix) which screws with 55 mm diameter...to great effect... not for architectural though. |
Interesting. I never tried that.
I've done a new posting on that: http://forum.mflenses.com/wide-angle-converter-experiment-t76786.html _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:21 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Wow, the colors. Nice. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 973 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
It's a truly fabulous lens, if you ask me. The best (and only) of its time.
But i now have the more "modern" Ultron 1.8/21...... ...... and it's about half the Minolta's size.....
Who wants the Minolta ! _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, FUJI FILM CO. FUJINON L 2/5cm
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:47 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Send $$$ _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:35 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
Mir wrote: |
Who wants the Minolta ! |
Should be easy to find somebody! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
Sony A7, Canon 5D mkII, Minolta 7D + RD3000 and some more.....
Minolta and Konica collector.... slowly selling all the other stuff! |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16498 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:08 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
_________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
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Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:08 am Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
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I preferred to go for the Minolta AF 20mm lens instead. It's available for almost the half price of those older lenses and the optical quality is comparable (most probably better). |
I absolutely agree on that.
The MC 2.8/21mm, especially in its "MC-X" incarnation, is a beautiful lens, but being calculated 50 years ago, it clearly has its limits. It is beautifully machined, it performs much better than the contemporary Tamron 4.5/21mm (which is horrible), and it was the fastest 21mm at its time. But when you compare it to a modern Zeiss Loxia 2.8/21mm, using a 42MP A7RII, the differences are dramatic.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
Traditionally, the review:
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I've had this lens 7? years, and just learned something new...
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Lens has an interesting construction – the front lens is rotating during the focusing but the frame with the filter thread doesn’t move. |
Thanks. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
It isn't my finding, I've just heard about it even before the getting my copy )) |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
Comparison on the infinity - Rokkor 21mm F2.8 vs Minolta MD-III 20mm F2.8
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1251 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
I have had several copies of the MDIII 20mm f/2.8 come though my hands, and at least 8 copies of the MC 21mm f/2.8.
Regardless of what users may experience in terms of sharpness of the MC 21mm f/2.8 vs the MDIII 20mm f/2.8, one oddity I can categorically state:
The MDIII 20mm renders colours more neutral than the MC 21mm under artificial lighting. Under daylight the difference is less pronounced (although still noticeable once you have spotted it, it is one of those things you can't "un-see"). But under artificial lighting (esp. fluorescent) the MC 21mm has a faint, but nevertheless noticeable straw/amber tint to it, all (as I said at least 8 ) copies of the MC 21mm I examined exhibited this behaviour.
So much so that I still wonder if this is an undocumented case of use of radioactive thorium glass by Minolta; it was a contemporary after all of the known radioactive MC 58mm f/1.2 (early variant) and MC 28mm f/2.5.
UV exposure did not seem to cure it however, so it would be good if anyone who has one of these lenses + Geiger counter can confirm; it probably won't be much, but thorium lens radiation is enough that it occasionally prevents earlier copies of the 58mm f/1.2 from making it through customs when shipping internationally.
The MD 20mm I would say in general terms of IQ is only slightly ahead of the MC 21mm.
However, the MC 21mm in comparison is huge and heavy, and if left unserviced has a nasty habit of internal glass etching (as visible streaks) owing to one of the waste products of the deteriorating foam Minolta put inside this lens (probably an acid/alkaline). The front surface of the fourth element is usually the one affected by this, and unsalvageable once affected. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 821
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
Fantastic info. So no general mid zone dip on the 20. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1251 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Shot with the later MC-X version (rubber waffle focus grip) of the Minolta MC W.ROKKOR - NL 21mm f/2.8
This was after I had given it a full CLA (total disassembly).
Camera: SONY A7s
Location: Folkestone harbour, Kent, UK
Full image below, with 100% crops of center, corner and bottom edge
ISO 100, 1/500s:
Center 100%:
Corner 100%:
Edge 100%:
_________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 821
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
Impressive. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:21 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
What aperture? |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1251 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:14 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
What aperture? |
Not something I usually record I'm afraid, but very likely around f/11 mark; I would have been looking for a large DOF but usually avoid f/16 as diffraction than slowly starts to set in.
(It was a very bright morning to UK standards )
Nevertheless, DOF is starting to limit sharpness here at the bottom edge as well the right edge of the frame (the "GAP" is much closer to the lens than it looks, I was kneeling) _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1251 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:31 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Couple of extra notes:
- A modest amount of complex "moustache" distortion is evident from the wall on the left hand side
- A faint spot of flare is visible on the left side as well (flare can be an issue with this lens)
- Contrast would likely be a bit higher on a more modern 20mm lens
Still, the Minolta 21/2.8 is one of my favourite lenses. I do sometimes use the MD 20/2.8, but somehow I find the 21/2.8 a bit more pleasant in handling (despite its weight).
It needs the hood though. The unusual original hood is not too effective at this wide angle of view, but it does give a few degrees more leeway as to positioning of the sun, which sometimes is all you need. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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caspert79 wrote:
The only modern lens I own is in this focal range, but I think I could easily live with this old lens its performance. |
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Blazer0ne
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