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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: AI? |
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peterqd wrote:
Can someone explain for me what it means? I see lots of discussion about Nikon and Nikkor, with various designation letters, and it all means nothing to me I'm afraid.
I've never held a Nikon camera and only touched a Nikon lens for the first time last week when Carsten allowed me to try his 24 and 85mm lenses. And I have to say I was highly impressed. Due to the register distances and swapability, I've always owned only M42 and PK lenses and cameras, so I was never tempted by Nikon. I can't use Nikon lenses on any of my film cameras, but I might be tempted to buy one for the Canon.
What should I look for?
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Peter,
start here for the nomenclature and then, go here, scroll down to the bottom for navigation links for specific Nikkor lenses by focal length, and read up.
But in brief, Ai stands for aperture indexing and is a set of mechanical ridges near the lens mount that communicates the focal length and aperture to the camera. AiS is a slight improvement that most cameras don't take full advantage of, but is fully Ai compatible. Pre-ai is a neologism to describe the older lenses before AI came out. They don't mount on many newer Nikon cameras (except the D40/D40x and D60).
As to which features communicate with Nikon-to-EOS adapterts, I wil let someone else deal with that part.
Sometimes an AiS lens is sen as better because of some other improvement (better coating, closer focus distance, etc) that was introduced at the same time for that model. But it depends on the specific model of lens. _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: AI? |
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LucisPictor wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
... last week when Carsten allowed me to try his 24 and 85mm lenses. And I have to say I was highly impressed... |
Perhaps it was good that you did not have enough time, otherwise you would have shot with the Nikkor-S.C 1.2/55 and the Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/35 as well. Then you would be looking for even more lenses and I would be in trouble with Christine.
Perhaps next time.
peterqd wrote: |
What should I look for? |
I think almost any Nikkor lens will satisfy your needs. These are great lenses. Since you have the Flek 20 already, you don't need the Nikkor UD20. I would recommend to keep your eyes peeled for a nice Nikkor 2.8/24 (the one you were shooting with), since this lens would provide the angle of almost a classical 35mm lens.
A 50mm Nikkor also would be nice. The 1.4/50 is said to be a fantastic lens.
And if you have the chance to get a Nikkor 1.8/85 for a reasonable price, do not hesitate.
I haven't heard that for quite a while. Oh, sweet memories! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Thanks for the advice. So I take it any Nikkor lens can be used on my 400D with a Nikon>EOS adapter, that's good news.
Now I have to work out which lenses I'd like, there are SO many!! I'm not really interested in ~50 lenses, at this stage anyway. I think you're right Carsten, the 24 and 85 would be great ones to start off with. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Quick, Peter!
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This lens going generally around 100 GBP and best 24mm lens what I ever had, razor sharp with beautiful color rendering. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
the 24 and 85 would be great ones to start off with. |
Please see my post in MFL Club. _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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Sandie
Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 217 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sandie wrote:
How do you think about Nikkor 85/2 AI? Is it comparable with Jupiter-9 85/2, or better ? _________________ Canon 5DII + Canon 5D + Canon 350D + Pentax MZ10 + Pracktica BX20 + Mamiya 1000TL + Yashica TL Electro X + Yashica FR1 + Pentax ES II
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 20/f4, Flektogon 35/f2.4, Pancolar 50/f1.4, Pancolar 50/f1.8, Tessar 50/f2.8, Pancolar 80/f1.8, Sonnar 135/f3.5, Sonnar 135/f4, Sonnar 180/f2.8;
Pentacon: 50/f1.8, 135/f2.8, 200/f4, 300/f4;
Meyer: Orestegon 29/f2.8, Lydith 30/f3.5, Domiplan 50/f2.8, Trioplan 100/f2.8, Orestor 100/f2.8, Telemegor 250/f5.5;
Revuenon: 24/f4(Ennalyt), 28/f3.5(Ennalyt), 200/f3.5(Tomioka);
Yashica: 28/f2.8; 55/f1.2;
Soligor 135/f2.8; 35/f2.8;
Misc: Schacht 50/f2.8; Steinheil 135/f3.5; Mamiya 55/f1.4; Fujinon 135/f3.5; Tokina 70-220/f3.5; Tamron 28/f2.5; Helios 58/f2; Kiron 28/f2; Volna 80/f2.8; Mir 24M 35/f2;Carenar 85-210/f4.5; Olympus 50/f1.8; Chinon 35-80/f3.5-4.9; Pentax 55/f2; |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, same level not worst not better. I prefer Nikkor 85mm f1.8 above this lens even if non-ai. _________________ -------------------------------
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Well, I haven't bought a Nikkor 85 yet but Carsten allowed me to take some pics with his, and I was HIGHLY impressed. I do have the J9, it's a very nice sharp lens with traditional Russian colour richness, a bit awkward to use because the stopdown ring on mine is stiff and too close to the aperture ring, but its Achilles' heel is the strange bokeh on some shots. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Sandie
Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 217 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sandie wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Yes, same level not worst not better. I prefer Nikkor 85mm f1.8 above this lens even if non-ai. |
Then have you ever compared the pancolar 1.8/80 with the Nikkor 85/f1.8 ? _________________ Canon 5DII + Canon 5D + Canon 350D + Pentax MZ10 + Pracktica BX20 + Mamiya 1000TL + Yashica TL Electro X + Yashica FR1 + Pentax ES II
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 20/f4, Flektogon 35/f2.4, Pancolar 50/f1.4, Pancolar 50/f1.8, Tessar 50/f2.8, Pancolar 80/f1.8, Sonnar 135/f3.5, Sonnar 135/f4, Sonnar 180/f2.8;
Pentacon: 50/f1.8, 135/f2.8, 200/f4, 300/f4;
Meyer: Orestegon 29/f2.8, Lydith 30/f3.5, Domiplan 50/f2.8, Trioplan 100/f2.8, Orestor 100/f2.8, Telemegor 250/f5.5;
Revuenon: 24/f4(Ennalyt), 28/f3.5(Ennalyt), 200/f3.5(Tomioka);
Yashica: 28/f2.8; 55/f1.2;
Soligor 135/f2.8; 35/f2.8;
Misc: Schacht 50/f2.8; Steinheil 135/f3.5; Mamiya 55/f1.4; Fujinon 135/f3.5; Tokina 70-220/f3.5; Tamron 28/f2.5; Helios 58/f2; Kiron 28/f2; Volna 80/f2.8; Mir 24M 35/f2;Carenar 85-210/f4.5; Olympus 50/f1.8; Chinon 35-80/f3.5-4.9; Pentax 55/f2; |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
You can see samples with all lenses in mflenses.com/gallery.I rate highest Pancolar 80mm f1.8 _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Attila wrote: |
You can see samples with all lenses in mflenses.com/gallery.I rate highest Pancolar 80mm f1.8 |
I trust your verdict, but I find it hard to believe that any lens can be considerably better than the Nikkor 1.8/85, in some parts perhaps, but overall? I doubt that. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Try one times Pancolar 80mm you never take again Nikkor 80mm
I am sure. I had 80mm f2, 80mm f1.8 Nikkor I sold them and bought many Pancolar much as I can. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Try one times Pancolar 80mm you never take again Nikkor 80mm
I am sure. I had 80mm f2, 80mm f1.8 Nikkor I sold them and bought many Pancolar much as I can. |
Yeah but for those prices, the Nikkor 85mm f/1.4 or the Zeiss Planar 85mm f/1.4 are also in comparison, no? _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, right. Pancolar 80mm f1.8 I beleive same good than those 1.4 lenses. One times I will compare them, price level is same. _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://www.mflenses.com/nikon-nikkor-2-85mm-lens-review-5.html
I rated in the past as same good than 85mm f1.8 _________________ -------------------------------
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patrickh
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I would also put the 85/2 in similar league as the 1.8.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I only know the 1.8/85, but I have talked to a Nikon collector at the last Solms camera fair and he told me that there was a considerable difference between the 1.8/85 and the 2.0/85.
But I guess it is as we oftan have said: the 1.8/85 provides 95% of a perfect lens and the 2.0/85 "only" 93%. You know what I mean. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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maddog10
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maddog10 wrote:
I think 'considerable difference' is going to vary from person to person by a considerable difference. _________________ Michael Hill |
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