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StillSanj
Joined: 21 Apr 2015 Posts: 412 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:46 am Post subject: Auto Chinon 55mm Macro 1.7- Sample pictures and advice |
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StillSanj wrote:
Hey guys! I'm pretty new to the forum and to legacy lenses. I recently got pretty lucky and scored a Auto Chinon 55mm Macro 1.7. I bought it on an old chinon camera for 40 dollars on craigslist. I had to take a chance as I could not look at the lens before buying it as I had to send my parents because they were in that city....and I realized that it is quite rare, so I figured id give it a chance. When my parents brought it to me, I was pleased to see that the aperture blades worked well as that seemed to be a overtly common problem. I took a few pictures, and realized that I really like the lens due to its 1:3 magnification and low aperture. However, I was disappointed to see that the images looked very soft even stopped down and that the bokeh did not feel right.
I did my first flashlight test, and I realized that there is quite a bit of...something on what I believe to be the front element mostly. I tried to get one picture of back end and one of the front element.
I apologize, I tried to do my best in figuring out this forum and taking a picture of the problem. Can anyone tell me what that is, and that hopefully it is not fungus? Also, Really enjoy this lens and have only less than 40 dollars invested, and I believe it would be worth "tuning up". Does anyone have any experience with this lens or can guide me on how/where to get it cleaned? I live in Lincoln, NE, so it seems my options are limited locally, but I would be willing to ship it somewhere if it is worth salvaging and am guided into the right direction
Here's a couple test shots that also show how neat the lens is, as well as the problem of soft images and I believe possible light diffusion? I kind of enjoy the glow that it gives the pictures, but it's too much and makes the image too blurry and bokeh too dim and indistinct. Granted most of are close to wide open, if not fully open at f1.7...however, I did test it stopped down, and it did help a bit but it was still noticeable.
All pictures handheld, no post processing, 1.7 aperture.
If anyone can help me figure out what is going on or has any input on this lens or how to fix the problem, I would be eternally grateful! Thanks in advance and I look forward to enjoying this forum as my love for vintage lenses is...growing to say the least. |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1694 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Auto Chinon 55mm Macro 1.7- Sample pictures and advice |
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WolverineX wrote:
in First post of the new member photos are not shown, antispam measure.
as for the lens, looks like fungus or mold, it should be cleaned and after that lens should be fine, unless fungus etched itself into the glass.
StillSanj wrote: |
Hey guys! I'm pretty new to the forum and to legacy lenses. I recently got pretty lucky and scored a Auto Chinon 55mm Macro 1.7. I bought it on an old chinon camera for 40 dollars on craigslist. I had to take a chance as I could not look at the lens before buying it as I had to send my parents because they were in that city....and I realized that it is quite rare, so I figured id give it a chance. When my parents brought it to me, I was pleased to see that the aperture blades worked well as that seemed to be a overtly common problem. I took a few pictures, and realized that I really like the lens due to its 1:3 magnification and low aperture. However, I was disappointed to see that the images looked very soft even stopped down and that the bokeh did not feel right.
I did my first flashlight test, and I realized that there is quite a bit of...something on what I believe to be the front element mostly. I tried to get one picture of back end and one of the front element.
I apologize, I tried to do my best in figuring out this forum and taking a picture of the problem. Can anyone tell me what that is, and that hopefully it is not fungus? Also, Really enjoy this lens and have only less than 40 dollars invested, and I believe it would be worth "tuning up". Does anyone have any experience with this lens or can guide me on how/where to get it cleaned? I live in Lincoln, NE, so it seems my options are limited locally, but I would be willing to ship it somewhere if it is worth salvaging and am guided into the right direction
Here's a couple test shots that also show how neat the lens is, as well as the problem of soft images and I believe possible light diffusion? I kind of enjoy the glow that it gives the pictures, but it's too much and makes the image too blurry and bokeh too dim and indistinct. Granted most of are close to wide open, if not fully open at f1.7...however, I did test it stopped down, and it did help a bit but it was still noticeable.
All pictures handheld, no post processing, 1.7 aperture.
If anyone can help me figure out what is going on or has any input on this lens or how to fix the problem, I would be eternally grateful! Thanks in advance and I look forward to enjoying this forum as my love for vintage lenses is...growing to say the least. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Macro at F1.7 your results are fine. DOF is really thin shooting like that. Bokeh also seems OK. I wouldn't worry too much about those inner problems. Seems like minor coating degradation. Nevertheless if dirt is excessive lens should be easy to clean. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6010 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
The torch test always makes lenses look much worse than they are.
Your results look pretty good to me @ f1.7
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:41 am Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
Rare MCM version:
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6010 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Extraordinary sharpness at wide aperture.
Thank you
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Extraordinary sharpness at wide aperture.
Thank you
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devinw
Joined: 19 Aug 2016 Posts: 207 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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devinw wrote:
Definitely looks like fungus to me. Although, your results are not bad, honestly. _________________
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Can you post a pic or two of the lens please, very nice pics.
StillSanj, did you get your lens cleaned? _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:30 am Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3437 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Nice results D.P.! |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
Nice results D.P.! |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
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Koen Nhz
Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Koen Nhz wrote:
Beautiful photo's and very nice rendering from this lens!
Did you add (quite a lot of) contrast in PP, or is it like that wide open? _________________ Sony α7, 28-70 | Minolta Rokkor 58 1.2 | CZ 35 2.8, 50 1.7, 135 2.8 | Canon 40D, nFD 20 2.8, 70-210 4, 300 4 L, FD SSC: 24 2.8, 35 2.8 TS, 50 3.5 Macro, 55 1.2 ASPH, 100 2.8, 80-200 4, 200 2.8, 500 8 Reflex | Vivitar S1 90 2.5 | Nikkor 105 1.8 | Takumar 50 1.4, 55 1.8, 135 2.5 & 3.5 | Tair 300 4.5 | ... |
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StillSanj
Joined: 21 Apr 2015 Posts: 412 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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StillSanj wrote:
You can tell by the great results other people have gotten that mine was rather flawed. I sold it as is and bought another minty one that is getting its aperture blades repaired. I'm excited to get it back to try to replicate those wonderful results. |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:10 am Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
Koen Nhz wrote: |
Beautiful photo's and very nice rendering from this lens!
Did you add (quite a lot of) contrast in PP, or is it like that wide open? |
These photos are processed in Capture One v.10 - added contrast and sharpness, but not very much. |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:23 am Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
StillSanj wrote: |
You can tell by the great results other people have gotten that mine was rather flawed. I sold it as is and bought another minty one that is getting its aperture blades repaired. I'm excited to get it back to try to replicate those wonderful results. |
Honestly, I don't really like the bokeh of this lens. So I want to sell it. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
D. P. wrote: |
Honestly, I don't really like the bokeh of this lens. |
+1. It's too nervous for my taste. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
D. P. wrote: |
Honestly, I don't really like the bokeh of this lens. |
+1. It's too nervous for my taste. |
I like this Chinon as a portrait lens:
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thebbm
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 295 Location: France montpellier
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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thebbm wrote:
the bokey is too nervous. maybe your post prod edit make it worse. it happened when you increase micro - contrast |
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D. P.
Joined: 26 Apr 2015 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
thebbm wrote: |
the bokey is too nervous. maybe your post prod edit make it worse. it happened when you increase micro - contrast |
The high micro contrast - a common feature of macro lenses. MCM version is a macro lens. |
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