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anktonio
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:45 am Post subject: DOGFIGHT: Carl Zeiss Planar 50/1.8 vs MC ROKKOR-PF 55/1.7 |
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anktonio wrote:
I enjoy myself occasionally making disrespectful lens tests with no scientific basis. But they are the same subject and in the same conditions of real life
Today Osaka against Oberkochen, all photos are unedited direct JPG ... start the match!
Rokkor
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/8721733465_59451955e6_o.jpg
Planar
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/8722857384_7a92e8ca6c_o.jpg
Rokkor
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/8721743161_e7dc36d521_o.jpg
Planar
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7381/8721744955_d3548a9c94_o.jpg
Rokkor
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8722845224_6454cb2eb9_o.jpg
Planar
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7459/8721726535_38254527d4_o.jpg
Rokkor (at f/1.7 bokeh test)
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/8721728249_c79b44e5f1_o.jpg
Planar (at f/1.8 bokeh test)
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/8722850434_ba8b66241b_o.jpg
Rokkor
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/8722859510_c923166632_o.jpg
Planar
Full resolution: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/8721741325_f1e334c5b3_o.jpg
Rokkor (100% crop)
Planar (100% crop)
And the winner iiissssssss... I swear I do not know :/
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Very nice comparison. I cannot easily decide which to prefer too. _________________ ---------------------------------
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parabellumfoto
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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parabellumfoto wrote:
I still don't think I am experienced enough to judge but I think Planar is marginally better. This is from a Minolta Rokkor fan. Difference in colour rendition is very slight. _________________ Minolta MC Rokkor f1.4 50mm
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fermy
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:02 am Post subject: Re: DOGFIGHT: Carl Zeiss Planar 50/1.8 vs MC ROKKOR-PG 55/1. |
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fermy wrote:
Right! Both are dogs.
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Aanything
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Me too, a really slight preference for the planar, but give me any of them and I'll be happy. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Excalibur
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Very interesting but a blowup crop would be nice to decide which is the winner for resolution. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I prefer the Rokkor's bokeh in the flower shot. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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skut
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 4 Location: Batangas
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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skut wrote:
i also prefer that soft bokeh balls of rokkor on the flower shot |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Just to nick pick: Isn't this name "MC ROKKOR-PG 55/1.7" by mistyping of "MC ROKKOR-PF 55/1.7"?
Minolta's MC/MD 55mm's are all ROKKOR-PFs. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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Mir
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
koji wrote:
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Just to nick pick: Isn't this name "MC ROKKOR-PG 55/1.7" by mistyping of "MC ROKKOR-PF 55/1.7"?
Minolta's MC/MD 55mm's are all ROKKOR-PFs. |
Thank you !
That explains why i searched and found a zillion PF, some pretty cheap, and no PG....
Could the mount be swapt on those PFs ?? _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
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nurkov
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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nurkov wrote:
excellent results from both _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/34787419@N08/
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anktonio
Joined: 20 Oct 2012 Posts: 219 Location: Spain
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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anktonio wrote:
koji wrote: |
Just to nick pick: Isn't this name "MC ROKKOR-PG 55/1.7" by mistyping of "MC ROKKOR-PF 55/1.7"?
Minolta's MC/MD 55mm's are all ROKKOR-PFs. |
Thank you for your accuracy! He is MC ROKKOR-PF 55/1.7 certainly. I've fixed the title.
Happy shots! |
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Tervueren
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
Nothing in it really but much prefer the bokeh from the Rokkor without the outline the Planar has |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Leica Summilux is better buy one 1000 USD only and compare .... (will be same than this )
Great test, it shows well, if subject , light right and smart people behind camera , basically no matter what lens do you have in 50mm focal length.
Differences usually pops up more in bad light, Zeiss will still shinny and Minolta require to fix contrast just a few click , but most people lazzy to do it. _________________ -------------------------------
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SonicScot
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: DOGFIGHT: Carl Zeiss Planar 50/1.8 vs MC ROKKOR-PG 55/1. |
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SonicScot wrote:
fermy wrote: |
Right! Both are dogs.
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dnas
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
Bokeh on the Minolta is very, very nice. |
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frenched
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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frenched wrote:
I really like both. Zeiss may be a little bit sharper. Biggest difference to me is in the bokeh, but I like both of those too. That's my "scientific" analysis.
Since they're so close, maybe try more demanding conditions as Attila suggested. |
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ForenSeil
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:22 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Very good comparision!
Old Zeiss 50/1.8 has better colors and is slightly sharper but Minolta has better bokeh.
I would simply buy one which is better than both
Price-wise I would recommend the Minolta
@Atilla Old Summilux is indeed nothing special and I guess not better than these two but the more modern Aspherical Summilux should kill both. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
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simbon4o
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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simbon4o wrote:
The rokkor is just better in bokeh! _________________ 10-300мм 4.0 - 1.2 - 4.5 NIKON&Sony bodies / Sony 10-18, Pentax 28 2.8 II, CZJ 35 2.4, Nikkor DX 35 1.8, Samyang 35 1.4, KMZ 50 1.7, FDn 50 1.2 L, Nikkor 55 2.8, Rokkor 58 1.2, Soligor 85 1.8 Preset, Samyang 85 1.4, Canon FDn 85 1.2 L, Tokina AT-X 90 2.5, Canon FDn 135mm 2.0, Nikkor 180 2.8 ED, Tair 300 4.5
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Giorgio
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Giorgio wrote:
I do not own a Planar but it seems to me that your Planar is either a Rokkor PF or you forgot to switch lenses on your camera during the comparison test. All pictures look like they were shot by the same Rokkor PF on Aperture Priority mode.
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Basilisk
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
Would expect the bokeh to be slightly more pronounced on the Rokkor (10% more magnification, 6% larger aperture) but it is significant how much bigger the OOF spots are. Definitely a winner for that sort of photography. |
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Roka
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Roka wrote:
I'm a big Rokkor fan so I had to suspend my prejudices while looking at the pictures. I think the Zeiss was better on the 1st (flower) shot but other than that I think they were about equal. And even though they're quite different I like the bokeh both produce.
Thanks for posting this test. I've done comparison lens testing for myself, maybe I'll post some of those results too. _________________
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WNG555
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
A nice fun comparison. Same subjective thoughts, I like the Minolta's bokeh more, the Planar's color better. Both are very satisfactory. Nice pics.
But I think to eliminate the extra 5mm of focal length, the Minolta MC Rokkor-X 50mm f1.7 would be a closer comparison. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
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anktonio
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:44 am Post subject: |
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anktonio wrote:
Say! This thread has reemerged from the depths... thanks to all for all the answers, old and new, and your good humor. I agree with most, the differences are very small or unnoticeable. But those 5 mm, as VNG555 says, give advantage to Rokkor for a softer and diffuse bokeh, which prefer almost all.
Giorgio wrote: |
..."seems to me that your Planar is either a Rokkor PF or you forgot to switch lenses on your camera during the comparison test"... |
You see that the viewing angle of Rokkor more narrow than the Planar, your response indicates the similarity between the two.
Roka wrote: |
..."I've done comparison lens testing for myself, maybe I'll post some of those results too"... |
Please, do it. We will be happy to see it. I wait.
For my part, I thought of another dogfight, now in a FF ring, between other two, Planar 50/1.4 and Canon nFD 50/1.4... the ultimate test, the fight of the century!
Happy shots! |
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papasito
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
The Pf is Warmer in color rendition.
The Planar (rollei or zeiss?) is more sharp.
Neither are close to 2/50 summicron (R/M).
I had the three.
I think that the japaneses 1,8/55 are in the same league.
The summicron, Planar c/y and Pancolar, are a Step over them |
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