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Phalbert
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 Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:22 pm Post subject: Earliest, post WW2 3rd party preset lenses for SLRs |
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Phalbert wrote:
Hi MF folks. I'm interested in learning from you which are the first third party preset lenses for SLR cameras. I gathered a couple of mostly Vivitars 35mm from around late 1960s and try to look for more. I know about the early Takumars but my question today is about third party's. Thanks a lot.
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My dream lenses: Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4 Zuiko 180/2
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My favorites:
Zuiko 50/1,2 100/2
Viv S1 70-210/3.5 (v1) + 2.8 - 4 (v3)
FD 55/1,2 SSC
Nikon 20-35/2,8 AF 50/1,4S 50/1,2AIS 55/1,2S 180/2,8AI 300/4,5 H Reflex 500/8 C + 500/8 N 200-400/4 AIS
Sigma 500/4,5 APO Sigma YS 135/1,8
MD 58/1,2
PK Sigma 15/2,8 ATX 150-500
M42 Chinon 55/1,2 Biotar 75/1,5 Polaris 55-300/4,5 Soligor 180/3,5 200/2,8CD Han 23/3,5
Helios 44-2 44-4
CY Planar 50/1,4 85/1,4AEJ
Tamron 35-105/2,8 24/2,5 350/5,6
Yashica 5cm/2
Takumar 50/1,4 - 8 50/1,4 - 7
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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stevemark
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
It depends on your definition of "third party" ... There are quite a few German preset lenses for the early German SRLs. Zeiss lenses for Zeiss Contax SLR wouldn't be "third party" of course, but the same Zeiss lens for an Igahee Exakta SLR might well be considered as "third party" (Igahee was independent from Zeiss). I have, for instance, a Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/180 (1949) for the Exakta. It is "preset", and it is "third party" too ...
http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/202311/big_4216_artaphot_DSC01409_1.jpg
I'm sure there are earlier Zeiss preset lenses for the Exakta, though.
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kypfer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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kypfer wrote:
Tamron had an interesting example in this area, their 135mm f/4.5 'Twin-Tele', which was supplied with a matching tele-converter making it a 225mm f/7.7. This was supplied with T-mounts (not T2 mounts) for both Exakta and M42. As a 135mm it is ridiculously compact, especially when compared to the Zeiss Triotar 135mm f/4 
On the left, the Zeiss, on the right, the Tamron.
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:26 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I think this is the most beautiful 135mm preset lens.
http://forum.mflenses.com/steinheil-quinar-135mm-f28-vl-on-nex-5n-t66477.html
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
From Japan Komura and early Tamron come to mind
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Phalbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Thanks to all of you. No real breakthrough here, but you reminded me of some makers, like Komura and the german manufacturers. I got more searching material.
The Quinar looks gorgeous indeed. To find another one in this condition??? 🤔
I do have some of the lenses mentionned, like the MOG or the Meritar. I like the Vivitars and Soligors a lot and they are the culprits for my taste for these goldies. (AFAIK, Tamron or Tokina made mostly)
Thanks again. Hopefully we'll enjoy more inputs.
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8; Nikon Df Vivitar 35-85 f2,8 AI Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,8
My dream lenses: Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4 Zuiko 180/2
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My favorites:
Zuiko 50/1,2 100/2
Viv S1 70-210/3.5 (v1) + 2.8 - 4 (v3)
FD 55/1,2 SSC
Nikon 20-35/2,8 AF 50/1,4S 50/1,2AIS 55/1,2S 180/2,8AI 300/4,5 H Reflex 500/8 C + 500/8 N 200-400/4 AIS
Sigma 500/4,5 APO Sigma YS 135/1,8
MD 58/1,2
PK Sigma 15/2,8 ATX 150-500
M42 Chinon 55/1,2 Biotar 75/1,5 Polaris 55-300/4,5 Soligor 180/3,5 200/2,8CD Han 23/3,5
Helios 44-2 44-4
CY Planar 50/1,4 85/1,4AEJ
Tamron 35-105/2,8 24/2,5 350/5,6
Yashica 5cm/2
Takumar 50/1,4 - 8 50/1,4 - 7
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
| D1N0 wrote: |
| From Japan Komura and early Tamron come to mind |
Yes Sankyo Kohki (Koki) Komura were one of the most prolific post war, making lenses for numerous makes and formats.
35mm, 645, 6x6, 6x7, 4X5 come to mind.
They are also quite beautifully made and produce lovely rendering.
Here is a listing of others that may contain some that you are looking for:
https://lens-club.ru/public/files/pdfs/06ba54c425e4b8570c2b686b5c53e60b.pdf
Cheers
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Phalbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
| Oldhand wrote: |
| D1N0 wrote: |
| From Japan Komura and early Tamron come to mind |
Yes Sankyo Kohki (Koki) Komura were one of the most prolific post war, making lenses for numerous makes and formats.
35mm, 645, 6x6, 6x7, 4X5 come to mind.
They are also quite beautifully made and produce lovely rendering.
Here is a listing of others that may contain some that you are looking for:
https://lens-club.ru/public/files/pdfs/06ba54c425e4b8570c2b686b5c53e60b.pdf
Cheers
Tom |
A precious list indeed.
Thank you.
 
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8; Nikon Df Vivitar 35-85 f2,8 AI Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,8
My dream lenses: Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4 Zuiko 180/2
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My favorites:
Zuiko 50/1,2 100/2
Viv S1 70-210/3.5 (v1) + 2.8 - 4 (v3)
FD 55/1,2 SSC
Nikon 20-35/2,8 AF 50/1,4S 50/1,2AIS 55/1,2S 180/2,8AI 300/4,5 H Reflex 500/8 C + 500/8 N 200-400/4 AIS
Sigma 500/4,5 APO Sigma YS 135/1,8
MD 58/1,2
PK Sigma 15/2,8 ATX 150-500
M42 Chinon 55/1,2 Biotar 75/1,5 Polaris 55-300/4,5 Soligor 180/3,5 200/2,8CD Han 23/3,5
Helios 44-2 44-4
CY Planar 50/1,4 85/1,4AEJ
Tamron 35-105/2,8 24/2,5 350/5,6
Yashica 5cm/2
Takumar 50/1,4 - 8 50/1,4 - 7
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
EDIT: The earliest Komura F3.5 lenses with chrome finish from the mid 1950s are not pre-set lenses but they seems only made for rangfinder cameras. The pre-set SLR lenses with black finish are made in the early 1960s.
BTW, the chrome Steinheil Cassarit 50/2.8 is also a pre-set lens. It is pretty hard to find nowadays.
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D1N0
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
All of my Komura's are preset, my Super-Komura's aren't
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Phalbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Here is a very nice one I didn't know existed. Not cheap...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/282187726598
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8; Nikon Df Vivitar 35-85 f2,8 AI Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,8
My dream lenses: Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4 Zuiko 180/2
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My favorites:
Zuiko 50/1,2 100/2
Viv S1 70-210/3.5 (v1) + 2.8 - 4 (v3)
FD 55/1,2 SSC
Nikon 20-35/2,8 AF 50/1,4S 50/1,2AIS 55/1,2S 180/2,8AI 300/4,5 H Reflex 500/8 C + 500/8 N 200-400/4 AIS
Sigma 500/4,5 APO Sigma YS 135/1,8
MD 58/1,2
PK Sigma 15/2,8 ATX 150-500
M42 Chinon 55/1,2 Biotar 75/1,5 Polaris 55-300/4,5 Soligor 180/3,5 200/2,8CD Han 23/3,5
Helios 44-2 44-4
CY Planar 50/1,4 85/1,4AEJ
Tamron 35-105/2,8 24/2,5 350/5,6
Yashica 5cm/2
Takumar 50/1,4 - 8 50/1,4 - 7
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I have one in FD mount. 
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D1N0
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Can be had much cheaper if you can clean them:
https://zenmarket.jp/en/yahoo.aspx?q=Komura%2b24mm%2bf4%2b
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