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wolan
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 Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:08 am Post subject: old shift / tilt-shift lens worth to consider? |
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wolan wrote:
Hi,
I am a nikon shooter. Nikon's tilt-shift lenses are very expensive (even the their old version).
Are there valid alternatives one should have a look at?
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Tedat
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Tedat wrote:
my shift lens (without tilt) is a old Schneider Kreuznach PC Curtagon 4/35 HFT and I'm very happy with it. A joy to use (even handheld) and I like the results I get from. I have the Rollei version but it was also avaible for Nikon.
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Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
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barryreid
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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barryreid wrote:
Cheap and good is a tough call in tilt shit or PC lenses. The Olympus OM 35 Shift is arguably the second best (after Zeiss PC-Distagon) shift lens available at the 35mm Focal length and could be Leitax'd to Nikon fit. The Oly 24 has a stellar reputation but is as expensive as us used PC-E 24.
Incidentally, I don't believe the 24 PC-E to be as bad as the internet would imply, I know this guy http://clickclickjim.com has used one for his professional work. I would suggest that you consider hiring one when you need it.
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
It is probably a bit specialised to find a third party lens in a Nikon compatible version. Unless doing close up work you will probably need infinity focus.
Samyang do a modern 24mm MF TS lens in F mount (and others). Not their cheapest lens, but probably reasonable value |
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bernhardas
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bernhardas wrote:
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I have an Arsat 35/2.8 shift lens, Nikon mount. It's an excellent lens although I'm considering selling it as I never use it.
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duckrider
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duckrider wrote:
Comparing todays prices for PC Nikkors with good old times when they were sold new the are bargains.
Have a look at todays PC nikkor, the are asked for ~1600 - 1900 €uros - that's money!
PC 3,5/28 should be approx 350.- - 400.- €uros
an exaample from France:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Objectif-a-decentrement-Nikon-PC-Nikkor-3-5-28-mm-Shift-lens-/301745382356?hash=item46416d23d4
PC 4/28 (older Version) 50,- cheaper.
2,8/35mm PC Nikkor is about 300.-€
For their capabilty these prices seem to be ok.
@Tedat: Are You shure that Your PC Curtagon 4/35 is HFT coated?
I'd very apperciate a picture, if so!
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ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
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Tedat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
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@Tedat: Are You shure that Your PC Curtagon 4/35 is HFT coated?
I'd very apperciate a picture, if so!
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didn't you see the first photo? It shows my lens... you can even see the HFT marking on it.
If it doesn't show for whatever reason, here is the link to the picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tedat/21066491061/
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Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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duckrider
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
My apologise!
flikr links won't open here at the job, have to look at home later the day.
Again THANKS for Your reply!
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(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
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Tedat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
ah ok... this explains it
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Sony A7RM2
Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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duckrider
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Great!
Never saw a Schneider lens with HFT coating,
man wird alt wie 'ne Kuh
und lernt immer noch dazu..
Now there's an item more I have to look for 
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(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
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Tedat
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Tedat wrote:
| duckrider wrote: |
| Now there's an item more I have to look for |
I'm really sorry 
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Sony A7RM2
Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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tb_a
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:43 am Post subject: Re: old shift / tilt-shift lens worth to consider? |
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tb_a wrote:
| wolan wrote: |
Hi,
I am a nikon shooter. Nikon's tilt-shift lenses are very expensive (even the their old version).
Are there valid alternatives one should have a look at?
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The most valid alternative is certainly Adobe Photoshop or a similar program where you can manipulate the perspective during post processing. So for digital photography the good old shift lens version is more or less outdated and not really necessary any more.
Although I have a shift lens (SMC Pentax 28mm/F3.5) I don't use it for that reason. It's more easy and flexible to do the correction afterwards.
Watch this: http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/why_you_dont_need_a_tilt-shift_lens/
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Tedat
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
Photoshop and Co. may be cheaper (if you already got a program like this)... but not easier or faster than a shift lens. And don't forget.. a lot people don't even change contrast or sharpness..
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Sony A7RM2
Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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DConvert
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:27 am Post subject: |
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DConvert wrote:
Decent Tilt/Shift lenses all seem to be very expensive to me.
I was keen to try tilt, and ended up getting a micro 4/3 camera & tiltable adapter to my DSLR lenses. It worked out much cheaper than a T/S lens & gave me a wide vaiety of focal lengths to experiment with.
There are now also shift adapters available, but I've not seen any that do both tilt & shift.
It's high time I had another go with tilt.  |
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duckrider
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:43 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
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| , but I've not seen any that do both tilt & shift..... |
There is a Kipon Tilt-Shift Adapter NIK-NEX (Nikon F - Sony E mount):
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kipon-Tilt-Shift-Adapter-NIK-NEX-Nikon-F-Sony-E-mount-/161831272622?hash=item25ade540ae
but the asked price for a new one is similar to used PC Nikkor price!
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(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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tb_a
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:46 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
| Tedat wrote: |
| Photoshop and Co. may be cheaper (if you already got a program like this)... but not easier or faster than a shift lens. And don't forget.. a lot people don't even change contrast or sharpness.. |
That is certainly true. However, at least it's worth to consider as the OP was asking for different options or alternatives.
When I started with digital photography I was also shooting JPG out of the camera without PP whatsoever. Over the time I realized the fantastic world of Photoshop and changed to RAW shooting.
The possibilities are simply amazing and are even able to avoid the purchase of special lenses.
However, it's primarily a matter of taste, skills and expected result. That's clear anyway.
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Lightshow
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I know the Canon FD 35/2.8 Tilt/Shift has been modified to fit EF, but I'm not too sure if it can fit Nikon's with out extra effort, Jim Buchanan may be able to explain what would be involved. http://www.jimbuchananspace.com/Camera_Services.html
It's a great lens, one of the best FD's I have.
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