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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: Pancolar 50mm question |
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Zeeke wrote:
Hi is there anyone how has tried lots of Pancolars that can tell me if on of the variants has better wide open sharpness.I know that sample variations makes it hard to tell if it really is model specifically.
I have had 4 Pancolars 1 red mc 1 white mc and two smal ones,the red mc on was very worn but way sharper then the others.
I am in too buy another and I like the newer little ones but I thinking that I maybe should look for an red mc if they are generally sharper.What's your experience . |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Older variants (zebra) usually yellow cast otherwise no difference in sharpness. Could be slightly better contrast with MC. _________________ ---------------------------------
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
From my own experiences: newer models with better coatings appear to be sharper because of the better contrast, like Pancolart said in his post. If you make the same picture with the older version and enhance contrast in LR (or similar software) you might just end up with the same result in terms of sharpness!
Some of the older zebra models have 8 aperture blades, new models have 6. This can make a difference in bokeh highlights when stopped down, 8 blades give more circular results. _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Best from all Prakticar 50mm f1.4 due it has best coating. _________________ -------------------------------
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3436 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Best from all Prakticar 50mm f1.4 due it has best coating. |
So for 50mm 1.8 you should choose for Jena Prakticar or Carl Zeiss Prakticar?
AFAIK the Pentacon Prakticar 50mm 1.8 is no Pancolar lens. |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
TrueLoveOne wrote: |
From my own experiences: newer models with better coatings appear to be sharper because of the better contrast, like Pancolart said in his post. If you make the same picture with the older version and enhance contrast in LR (or similar software) you might just end up with the same result in terms of sharpness!
Some of the older zebra models have 8 aperture blades, new models have 6. This can make a difference in bokeh highlights when stopped down, 8 blades give more circular results. |
The older ones have 6 elem. and 4 groups and the next have 6/5.
My Zebra has a 6 blades aperture but I don't know which scheme it has.
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
Thanks for your input,I gonna use the lens on an Sony a99 so I think that Prakticar is out of question,
I have an Revuenon(Pentacon) 50mm 1,8 thats very sharp in center from about f2.2 but there Is something
in the rendering I don't like,,,,, _________________ Pentax Ks1
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Best from all Prakticar 50mm f1.4 due it has best coating. |
So for 50mm 1.8 you should choose for Jena Prakticar or Carl Zeiss Prakticar?
AFAIK the Pentacon Prakticar 50mm 1.8 is no Pancolar lens. |
Carl Zeiss Prakticar not exists , that is Carl Zeiss Planar.
Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar 50mm f1.4 and f1.8 both exists from Jena factory, both are very good.
Pentacon Prakticar 50mm f1.8 excellent lens as well this is not made in Jena. _________________ -------------------------------
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
Thanks for your input,I gonna use the lens on an Sony a99 so I think that Prakticar is out of question,
I have an Revuenon(Pentacon) 50mm 1,8 thats very sharp in center from about f2.2 but there Is something
in the rendering I don't like,,,,, |
Mc and zebra has only coating difference in my opinion, some Zebra has damn good coating some MC lens has no coating anymore
so still need a bit luck , majority of Pancolar has no issues, I bought, test and sold 30+ at least I don't remember for any issues, except usual aperture stucks what is require cleaning. _________________ -------------------------------
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
I looked att eBay and there more Pancolars for sale now than a couple of years ago and still the prices have risen.I bought a small mc one and as usual it's a little excitement to se what you get....... |
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francotirador
Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Posts: 894
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
The truth is that it is not very sharp wide open. But it is very good lens.
http://slrlensreview.com/web/reviews/carl-zeiss-lenses-swhorizontalmenu-172/zeiss-standard/398-carl-zeiss-jena-pancolar-mc-50mm-f18-m42-lens-review
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Out of my 6 Pancolars, all are acceptably sharp wide open, the actual resolution is high but it is somewhat masked by a lack of macro contrast (single coating at fault here) and a little residual spherical aberration. However, 3 are very sharp wide open, sharper than many other 50s like the Canon FD 1.8/50 are wide open; but those are the 3 with MC which makes a big difference and they are slightly better corrected then the single-coated version, showing the influence of computing technology in the 1970s.
Late M42 MC wide open on Sony a850, it resolved the fine hairs around the eye perfectly:
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
I like that the Pancolar have two steps on the aperture between 1.8 and 2.8 I had an Rollie planar 50mm f1.8 in m42 that was sharp and contrasted wide open.....regret selling that one...... |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:00 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have the Planar 1.8/50 too. IMHO, an MC Pancolar in good condition is as sharp wide open as the Planar. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:31 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
My Planar (HFT) seems sharper than my Pzncolar ( Zebra). This Planar is really sharp.
I prefer the bokeh of my Pancolar. I am also surprised by its 3 D effect on some shots.
Both lenses are keepers. |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:17 am Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
A lens you might consider. The Zenitar M 1.7/50.
Flower is 3 to 4 cm diameter. Shot taken wide open from around 3 meters.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
+1 on the Zenitar, it's supremely sharp. I was using my copy of the Zenitar M2S 2/50 yesterday in fact.
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