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jpadesousa
Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:30 pm Post subject: Choosing a 135mm Vivitar/Canon/Takumar/Sonnar |
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jpadesousa wrote:
Hello everybody from the forum,
I was, and still am, for a tele manual focus lens with a good price/quality and after some research I found out that there is a lot great 135mm manual focus lenses at a low price. Initially I was looking more for a zoom but maybe a 135mm would be a good first manual focus lens.
The problem is that there are so many 135mm and so much information that it's really hard to decide. This four seem to have good quality at an affordable price and, after I checked, I found each one on ebay at the price a wanted (<200$):
Vivitar Series 1 135mm f/2.3
Canon FD 135mm f/2.5 S.C.
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135mm f/2.5 V2
Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135 mm f/2,8 C/Y
From reading the reviews and looking at sample photos, looks like the Vivitar is very sharp but with some CA that can be annoying.
If I was going to buy based on what I read, would go for the Takumar. But I could be wrong so that's why I'm asking for your opinion.
If you have any other recommendations feel free to write those. Other focal lengths, zooms, etc.
My dslr body now is the Canon 600D looking to buy a FF in the future.
Thank you!
www.joaosousaphoto.com
PS: I'm posting this topic only because I couldn´t find any comparison between these lenses. |
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!Karen
Joined: 20 Jul 2013 Posts: 837 Location: Belgium Baby
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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!Karen wrote:
While I love my 135mm f2,5 FD lens, I would not recommend it for you, or any other lenses with FD mount, because with your EOS you are going to need an adapter with extra glass in it which would deteriorate the image quality.
I don't have experience with any of the other lenses you mentioned so can't help you any further _________________ FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/carl-zeiss-jenna-sonnar-mc-135mm-f35.html
includes a link to a sonnars comparison here, and heres another test.
http://forum.mflenses.com/communist-135mm-sonnars-comparison-t33719.html _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
I can't recommend my favorite, the Konica Hexanon AR 3.2/135 (smaller, lighter and better image quality than the Hexanon 2.5/135) because you can't use Hexanons with your Cannon.
Instead I will leave you with some light reading material...
http://forum.mflenses.com/twelve-2-8-135mm-lenses-compared-on-5dmkii-t39463.html
http://oomz.net/135/ _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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jpadesousa
Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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jpadesousa wrote:
Thank you for the quick replies.
I saw those links before, there are so many lenses that it's very difficult to choose one.
!Karen A simple M42 mount wouldn't be enough for lenses with that kind of mount? And, does the FD-EF adapter really degrade the image quality that much? |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
jpadesousa wrote: |
Thank you for the quick replies.
I saw those links before, there are so many lenses that it's very difficult to choose one.
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And how do you think our diverse unsupported opinions will make things any easier? _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I tested fourteen 135mm lenses a while bac, I think I have a few more now , and found there was no really bad lens among them, and there are some cheap lenses in my collection that people might well overlook.
The consensus seemed to be, "there are no really bad 135's" - apparently it's a focal length that is easy to design and manufacture. I thought the Jupiter 11 135 / 4 was very good, and so did many others.
http://forum.mflenses.com/testing-my-135mm-lenses-fourteen-of-them-t67373,highlight,%2Btesting+%2B135+%2Blenses.html
I shall have to see what new 135's I've got. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
If the sonnar fits your budget, don't hesitate and get it, it's by far the best 135 I've tried: sharp, contrasty, T*coating, sonnar character, little to none chromatic aberrations (which affect my second favorite, the RE Auto Topcor 3.5/135, in some situations) and in the end still relatively affordable. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
Samples from my lenses
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2927 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:27 am Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Either the sonnar or the asahi will give you stellar images. Vivitar series 1 can be a bit of a challenge as there is the old version (good) and the new version (not so good). Watch *bay for a bit and follow a couple of auctions to get an idea where they end up as far as price goes. Then find a good looking example from a seller with a 100% rating and bid a bit more than the ones you followed. Worse case scenario you payed just a bit more than the going rate for a good example. Best case scenario nobody else bids and you get a great bargain. I generally find the lowest BIN price for "good" examples is about 20% more than the average auction and so I bid accordingly. If I really want a specific example I will bid just under the buy it now. Of course these only apply for items where there are frequent auctions and numerous examples (Like the sonnar). You might also consider the Topcon RE lenses. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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RAART
Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Posts: 499 Location: Oakville, ON, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:08 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
I do like Mamiya Sekor Auto 135mm ƒ2.8
This is M42 lens and should fit the Canon body.
Here are some examples taken with Pentax K-5II, which I do not have it anymore...
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Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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Raxar
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 222
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Raxar wrote:
and don't forget brilliant Fuji 135/2.5 EBC ! also nikon 105/2.5 is an excellent performer if you can use 105 instead of 135! |
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listera
Joined: 24 Oct 2013 Posts: 126 Location: Ankara
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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listera wrote:
A Canon camera owner must always consider Olympus alternatives if legacy lenses are concerned. 135 3.5 and 2.8 are not only good performers but also much more compact than most if not all.
Vivitar 135 2.8 Close Focus variety is optically another noteworthy contender and supports a helicoid system that allows 1:2 reproduction (albeit minimum focusing distance is a bit long).
Both three of these options are much cheaper than your limit. Vivitar can be harder to find though as you will need to find one in a compatible (e.g. OM or m42) bayonet.
There are various examples in the forum and gallery and I know Wolverine has tried and displayed photos from at least 2 of them. _________________ Zuikoware / Rokkorprone / FDthropist
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Hmm, shooting on EOS...
Don't rule out Olympus OM Zuiko. Superb image quality and build. And since the OM mount is smaller than EF, they make simple adapters for Canon. No register issues.
The 135mm f/2.8 is highly desired.
Edit: Ah, I see Listera mentioned Olympus already.
Note, the Vivitar (Komine) 135mm f/2.8 standard lens is also a fine performer and affordable. Love the images from my copy. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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jpadesousa
Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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jpadesousa wrote:
After a little more research:
I couldn't find a good condition Olympus Zuiko OM 135 2.8. Not in Europe.
The CZ Sonnar T* 135 2.8 goes for about 200$
Mamiya/Sekor 135 2.8 60-100$
Vivitar 135 2.5, there is one at about 100$
SMC Takumar 135 2.5 V2 150-200$
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestor 2.8 135 150$
Nikon Nikkor 105 2.5 150-350$ (Non AI or AI)
Tair 11 135 2.8 180$
These are buy it now prices.
The C/Y adapters to EOS are difficult to find. At least it looks like that. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Click here to see on Ebay C/Y to Canon EOS _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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jpadesousa
Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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jpadesousa wrote:
There is a guy in my city selling the Nikon Nikkor 105 2.5 (I think is the AI or the AIs). And at a good price.
This would be a good lens? How can I know if it is non AI, AI or AIs? |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Watch this: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105f25.htm _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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jpadesousa
Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:52 am Post subject: |
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jpadesousa wrote:
Thank you tb_a!
It's a AIs, the serial number is 91xxxx. |
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fwcetus
Joined: 12 Jun 2015 Posts: 303 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Choosing a 135mm Vivitar/Canon/Takumar/Sonnar |
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fwcetus wrote:
jpadesousa wrote: |
This four seem to have good quality at an affordable price and, after I checked, I found each one on ebay at the price a wanted (<200$):
Vivitar Series 1 135mm f/2.3
Canon FD 135mm f/2.5 S.C.
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135mm f/2.5 V2
Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135 mm f/2,8 C/Y
From reading the reviews and looking at sample photos, looks like the Vivitar is very sharp but with some CA that can be annoying.
If I was going to buy based on what I read, would go for the Takumar. But I could be wrong so that's why I'm asking for your opinion. |
I shoot with Pentax bodies, and I am familair with only two of the above lenses:
The VS1 135/2.3 is a lovely lens to use. However, on digital (as with many older lenses) it may sometimes show some purple fringing (depending on the shooting conditions), but is sharp and has great bokeh. However, it does seem to me that some of the prices for it lately are a bit high (although I may be thinking mostly of the K-mount versions) -- in particular, I am surprised that the VS1 135/2.3 often goes for quite a bit more than does the VS1 200/3, which (except for the obvious FL and size difference) is a rather similar lens.
I am currently spending some time with a couple of the K-mount instances of the "Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135mm f/2.5 V2" -- they're both the SMC Pentax 135/2.5 version (optically the same as the second Tak 135/2.5) -- one is a "regular" K-mount, while one is a "crippled" one (no aperture coupling lever, the surgery performed by a Canon owner). The SMC Pentax/Tak 135/2.5 is a beautiful lens design, which I don't think you could go wrong with at all.
[By the way, I am ~not~ referring to the "Takumar Bayonet" 135/"2.5", which is, in contrast, a lesser "consumer"-quality lens (and is really only an f2.8 lens anyway.) _________________ Fred
If you saw a fellow drowning, and you could either save him or photograph the event . . . What lens would you use ? |
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fwcetus
Joined: 12 Jun 2015 Posts: 303 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:51 am Post subject: |
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fwcetus wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
Vivitar series 1 can be a bit of a challenge as there is the old version (good) and the new version (not so good). |
??? I am confused here. Are you saying that you think there are two VS1 135/2.3 designs? I am aware of just one version (and it's certainly a good one). Please elaborate or explain what you mean (or correct me if I am misreading you). Thanks. _________________ Fred
If you saw a fellow drowning, and you could either save him or photograph the event . . . What lens would you use ? |
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:38 am Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
As for the Vivitar Series-1 135mm f/2.3....
I'm also not aware of a second version. Unless you are referring to the original release with single-coated optics, and the later with VMC added. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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