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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:11 pm    Post subject: Pancolar 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
I have seen photos of a site selling a camera with a CZJ Pancolar 50mm 1.4. I can find no reference to this lens. I've seen e-bay ads for the 55mm 1.4. WAY expensive. I have the 50mm f2 and f 1,8.. Is anybody familiar with the 50mm 1.4?


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
IIRC the 55/1.4 is an earlier lens (Zebra style) and the 50/1.4 is a later one, which came in two different optical designs, which can be differentiated based on where the name/information is printed -- around the front (like most lenses) or around the side. (I can't remember right now which is the earlier one, or which is purported to be better, or whether they were M42 or PB... I think at least one of them was PB.)


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As glaebhoerl mentioned the 55mm variant is the older one and was originally sold with the "Pentacon Super" camera. The later version is the 50mm one. The Pancolars are available in different styles and mounts (Exakta, M42 and Prakticar) and with different markings like "aus Jena" or Practicar or so. These F1.4 versions of the Pancolar are designed as 7 lenses in 5 groups.
You will find some sample pictures on flickr if you search for.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do all the Pancolar lenses have 'Pancolar' on the lens trim ring, or are some not actually labeled as Pancolar?


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
there are no Pancolar 50/1.4 as such AFAIK , at least I never came across one, the most common one is Prakticar in Praktica-B mount (PB) and as mentined above -there are 3 cosmetic versions (name on side, front and version marked as "P" ), other versions are quite rare.

Nice lens -quite special due short Minimal focus Distance and Bokeh...

Cheers,
Rado


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lloydy wrote:
Do all the Pancolar lenses have 'Pancolar' on the lens trim ring, or are some not actually labeled as Pancolar?


No. Some of them only state 50mm F1.4 "aus Jena" or even only "Practicar" and that's all. But they are all Pancolars with the same formula out of the same factory from VEB Carl Zeiss Jena/GDR.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
radissimo77 wrote:
there are no Pancolar 50/1.4 as such AFAIK , at least I never came across one, the most common one is Prakticar in Praktica-B mount (PB) and as mentined above -there are 3 cosmetic versions (name on side, front and version marked as "P" ), other versions are quite rare.

Nice lens -quite special due short Minimal focus Distance and Bokeh...

Cheers,
Rado


Yeah I saw surprised as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Praktica-B-200s-Electronic-35mm-Camera-and-C-Z-PANCOLAR-1-4-Lens-/111707026092?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1a0241f2ac


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's the same lens as a CZJ MC Prakticar 50/1.4. I have both versions of this lens (in PB mount). Unfortunately, they'll hit the mirror of 5DmkII when focused after about 7 meters. However, at portrait distance I found them to be excelent performers with great colors and cery nice rendering.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all... The last Pancolar 1.4 was the 55mm and it is crazy expensive and quite nice actually. After it... I do not think that they was able to offer something that exclusive.

After all the brand have nothing to do with the performance of the lens... brands are made for the buyers to decorate the products for them. I found recently information that samyang in its beginning was making optics for canon, nikon, tamron and others but we buy them as canon, nikon, ...
Just out of curiosity - anybody tried this pancolar 50 1.4?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
simbon4o wrote:
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all...


I think that Pancolar 50/1.4=Prakticar 50/1.4 (they look the same apart the name)


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
radissimo77 wrote:
simbon4o wrote:
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all...


I think that Pancolar 50/1.4=Prakticar 50/1.4 (they look the same apart the name)


As I stated already above: The Pancolar is the Prakticar is the "aus Jena" lens. There is no other variant available in 50/1.4 like the 50/1.8 version where you have the choice between the Pancolar/Zeiss and the Pentacon/Meyer lens.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
simbon4o wrote:
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all... The last Pancolar 1.4 was the 55mm and it is crazy expensive and quite nice actually. After it... I do not think that they was able to offer something that exclusive.

After all the brand have nothing to do with the performance of the lens... brands are made for the buyers to decorate the products for them. I found recently information that samyang in its beginning was making optics for canon, nikon, tamron and others but we buy them as canon, nikon, ...
Just out of curiosity - anybody tried this pancolar 50 1.4?


It is relatively easy to distinguish between re-branded Japanese and GDR lenses. The first ones are marked as "Japan" and the others like Germany or GDR or DDR. The 55mm/1.4 version is the older one and the 50mm/1.4 version is the newer one. That's all.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
simbon4o wrote:
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all... The last Pancolar 1.4 was the 55mm and it is crazy expensive and quite nice actually. After it... I do not think that they was able to offer something that exclusive.

After all the brand have nothing to do with the performance of the lens... brands are made for the buyers to decorate the products for them. I found recently information that samyang in its beginning was making optics for canon, nikon, tamron and others but we buy them as canon, nikon, ...
Just out of curiosity - anybody tried this pancolar 50 1.4?


The Pentacon lenses were all made in Germany to German designs, with the possible exception of the 2.4/50 pancake which may have been made in the IOR factory in Romania.

Zeiss Jena were very capable of making very high-end items right up to the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Pancolars 1.8/50, 1.4/50 and 1.8/80 are every bit the equal of their western counterparts. Then there are the specialist items like the Lamegon series of wide angles for large format, those were probably superior to the Western options, and the process lenses made by Zeiss Jena, particularly the APO-Germinar series were actually slightly superior to the G-Clarons and APO-Ronars made by Schneider and Rodenstock in the West.

Samyang made awful lenses for a long time before they started making lenses under contract for the Japanese. There were some decent Samyangs like the common 2.8/135 but mostly, their products were cheap and nasty.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
radissimo77 wrote:
simbon4o wrote:
My guess is that this 50 1.4 is a re-branded Japanese 50mm. Like the 28 2.8 practicar is actually chinon if I remember right. This lens is from the time of the end of the practica brand and I think that this 50 1.4 is not a zeiss lens at all...


I think that Pancolar 50/1.4=Prakticar 50/1.4 (they look the same apart the name)


As I stated already above: The Pancolar is the Prakticar is the "aus Jena" lens. There is no other variant available in 50/1.4 like the 50/1.8 version where you have the choice between the Pancolar/Zeiss and the Pentacon/Meyer lens.


Radissimo is correct, there never was a bayonet mount Pancolar 1.8/50, they were all labelled Prakticar. Mostly they were labelled 'Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar' but some for export to certain markets were labelled 'aus Jena Prakticar'. This is a Pancolar, they just changed the name for some reason.



PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:

Radissimo is correct, there never was a bayonet mount Pancolar 1.8/50, they were all labelled Prakticar. Mostly they were labelled 'Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar' but some for export to certain markets were labelled 'aus Jena Prakticar'. This is a Pancolar, they just changed the name for some reason.


The communication with you is really tiresome. I never stated that the 1.8/50 was marked as Pancolar. However it is still the Pancolar lens from the design point of view even if it's marked with something else as long as it comes from VEB CZJ/GDR irrespective of mount or marking opposite to the Pentacon/Meyer lens which came from VEB Pentacon/GDR.
Same is true for the 55 and 50mm/1.4 version except that there is no Pentacon/Meyer lens available in F1.4.
Is that understandable now also for you?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:

Radissimo is correct, there never was a bayonet mount Pancolar 1.8/50, they were all labelled Prakticar. Mostly they were labelled 'Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar' but some for export to certain markets were labelled 'aus Jena Prakticar'. This is a Pancolar, they just changed the name for some reason.


The communication with you is really tiresome. I never stated that the 1.8/50 was marked as Pancolar. However it is still the Pancolar lens from the design point of view even if it's marked with something else as long as it comes from VEB CZJ/GDR irrespective of mount or marking opposite to the Pentacon/Meyer lens which came from VEB Pentacon/GDR.
Same is true for the 55 and 50mm/1.4 version except that there is no Pentacon/Meyer lens available in F1.4.
Is that understandable now also for you?


I understood perfectly the first time and my reply was not directed at you.

Maybe you wouldn't find communicating with others so tiresome if you weren't so arrogant and insisted on always being right! Especially when you are so often completely wrong.

Here are the two variants of the Prakticar 1.8/50, one is made in Gorlitz by Pentacon, the other is made in Jena by Carl Zeiss.





PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Pancolar 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
jamaeolus wrote:
I have seen photos of a site selling a camera with a CZJ Pancolar 50mm 1.4. I can find no reference to this lens. I've seen e-bay ads for the 55mm 1.4. WAY expensive. I have the 50mm f2 and f 1,8.. Is anybody familiar with the 50mm 1.4?


I have seen one singular copy of an M42 mount CZJ Pancolar 50 1.4 for sale on eBay one to two years ago. I didn't believe my eyes. The lens had the same style of housing as the red MC Pancolars 1.8 or red MC Flektogons 2.4. However, all the markings on the lens were for a 1.4. Whether it was an original (with a few more copies around), after-shift hobby work of a Zeiss employee (we are talking GDR; it's not impossible), or whether somebody fudged the aperture and front rings, I of course cannot tell (I didn't pay close attention to the size of the glass).

It was listed for 800 or 900 dollars or Euros (don't recall) buy-it-now and was sold within a day or two. I was not the buyer.

-b


PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Carl Zeiss Jena Prakticar 50mm f1.4 is reputed to be the next iteration of the Pancolar 55mm f1.4.
Two models - first supposedly has irradiated glass - thorium or lanthanum - the second not.
Has a good reputation regardless
Tom


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


This is my Pentacon 50 1.8 ,the housing looks same like Zeiss,maybe glass is different


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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