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cambug
Joined: 06 Jun 2010 Posts: 91
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: Making of a new old Trioplan |
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cambug wrote:
Anyone heard of a group that is trying to re-make the much hyped Meyer Trioplan? Here is the link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2061029467/bring-back-the-legendary-trioplan-soap-bubble-boke/description
Made in Germany with Schott glass? Seems to be a rather interesting project, but not sure if it can be successful commercially. What would you think, both as Trioplan lovers or haters? |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Making of a new old Trioplan |
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kds315* wrote:
Overlooked that? It was announced here too.
http://forum.mflenses.com/new-trioplan-100-2-8-but-look-at-the-price-t71271.html _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
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http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:44 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Its a very simple lens which should be no problem to reproduce quite cheaply today.
Samyang could design it before lunch on any given day I would think.
The problem is market. A bit of a hard sell to specification freaks.
I mean, f/2.8 ? That's less than f/1.4 isn't it ?
Its harder to sell rendering.
There is a considerable value for the old ones, but that is because a rather small group of aficionados is after an even smaller supply of vintage lenses. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:07 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
I think the high price (~1500 USD normally) could be a serious problem.
It is much more expensive than the old Trioplan 100 lenses, from my point of view it needs to have clear advantage.
I have contact with one of that company, and I have urged that a much closer focussing distance would be a real advantage - ony my classic Trioplan 100 I use most times extension tubes.
With this long lens tube it should be no big problem to implement a much longer helicoid. But at the moment it looks like it has quite a large mimimum focus distance. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:23 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This lens doesn't need any designing - not if copying the Trioplan is the goal. It might need some minor recalculation to take account of lead-free glass types today.
As a simple triplet, it should be one of the cheapest lenses available today. 159USD rather than 1,599.
I still think that this is a very cynical manouevre, copying something that is mostly hype. If they were really wanting to copy a classic lens, then the Trioplan would be a long way down the list of great lenses for the simple reason it isn't a great lens at all.
Honestly, I've seen maybe a handful of good Trioplan pics out of hundreds upon hundreds of garbage ones. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:07 am Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
As for the nature of images from the Trioplan family, there's a saying about beauty being in the eye of the beholder . . . as for the suggested cost of this new incarnation, well, I suppose we can say that "value is in the estimation of the purchaser". I can understand Ian's ire at the notion that the New Trioplan should cost $1500 rather than $150 but that's the way of the marketing world. I'm not going to buy one either. Even if I could afford it _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Sure, I can understand why some love the Trioplan, but as with all matter bokeh, it's subjective. Other than the bokeh, the Trioplan doesn't do anything outlandish for a basic triplet, it's okay in sharpness etc.
It is the scalping of people with a huge price I object to, all because of that bokeh and the desire of people to follow trends in photography.
At the end of the day, what is a Trioplan?
Three bits of glass, normal standard optical types, no ED, Aspheres etc. With only 6 air-glass interfaces, any modern coating will do.
An aperture, preferably with at least 10 blades. The Chinese put these in dirt cheap adapters these days so can;t be expensive.
A metal tube.
Honestly, what more is there to it than that? The design is already there, so where are the R&D costs? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Sure, I can understand why some love the Trioplan, but as with all matter bokeh, it's subjective. Other than the bokeh, the Trioplan doesn't do anything outlandish for a basic triplet, it's okay in sharpness etc.
It is the scalping of people with a huge price I object to, all because of that bokeh and the desire of people to follow trends in photography.
At the end of the day, what is a Trioplan?
Three bits of glass, normal standard optical types, no ED, Aspheres etc. With only 6 air-glass interfaces, any modern coating will do.
An aperture, preferably with at least 10 blades. The Chinese put these in dirt cheap adapters these days so can;t be expensive.
A metal tube.
Honestly, what more is there to it than that? The design is already there, so where are the R&D costs? |
totally agreed _________________ TELLTALE
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4710 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Trioplan 100mm with natural light wide open
_________________ Lars | Lens collection | Manuellfokus.no |
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imagedit
Joined: 17 May 2014 Posts: 92 Location: London, england
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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imagedit wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Its a very simple lens which should be no problem to reproduce quite cheaply today.
Samyang could design it before lunch on any given day I would think.. |
They should, cheap version would sell loads
Nordentro wrote: |
Trioplan 100mm with natural light wide open
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WNG555
Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Posts: 784 Location: Arrid-Zone-A, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Hey, Mitakon...are you listening?
Sigma for that matter. Fits perfectly marketing wise under their 'Art' banner.
Slap their linear AF motor in it, 3 pieces of modern spec glass, wrap it in shiny skin...$209 retail.
The lens has merit. I realize it's subjective, but the results are distinct and the world can always use another great lens.
Wish them success. Like everything, the initial price is high to maximize return from those willing to pay.
Price will eventually fall for later production runs. _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 826 Location: Putnam, CT
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Isn't this similar in a lot of ways to the recent kickstarter campaign from lomo for the re-made Petzval:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lomography/the-lomography-new-petzval-58-bokeh-control-art-le
or any other of the lomography art lens products? I mean didn't the craze all get started with the poor little Diana. I remember having quite a few as a kid when they cost about $1.00. Obviously I mustn't have been much of a photographer, because even I considered spending the "extra" cash on film or processing to be a waste of money! LOL Of course now I have heard of people who have cut the lens off Dianas and mounted them to their Hasselblads! That said I think I have Lomo Diana lens in Canon EOS mount. When I happen to pick up a real, vintage Diana, I usually can sell it for enough to purchase a nice Vivitar, Sears or Pentax lens!
That said, and here's my point, while a truly gifted photographer can make a compelling image with a cardboard box and a pinhole, I don't think most people would spend $1000 for a pinhole! _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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secludedsea
Joined: 01 Oct 2014 Posts: 82 Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:06 am Post subject: |
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secludedsea wrote:
Funny thing this Kickstarter. Not sure the price justifies the product. I did provide samples from a much cheaper alternative to this Trioplan here: http://forum.mflenses.com/pentacon-av-80mm-2-8-samples-t72317.html
That said, I've no doubt people will pick this up to feed the bokeh cult. |
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bernhardas
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:57 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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bernhardas
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:59 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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bernhardas
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:04 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:28 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
hmm, too cheap isn't good, imagine a world being flooded with TRIOPLAN pics
- from "wannabe" photographers _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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secludedsea
Joined: 01 Oct 2014 Posts: 82 Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:05 am Post subject: |
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secludedsea wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
hmm, too cheap isn't good, imagine a world being flooded with TRIOPLAN pics
- from "wannabe" photographers |
The world is already flooded with Instagram pics, and super smooth bokeh pics, so imagination not needed The Trioplan is a triplet with overcorrected spherical aberration. In this regard, it's not unique. The rest of this is marketing I guess. The story of Meyer Optik ended in 1990. This new company is managed by a global branding and marketing company. It's Meyer Optik in name only. |
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
New Petzwal longer focal length 75mm ? kick ass of any Trioplan I saw many beautiful examples on FB , taken with this longer focal length Petzval. _________________ -------------------------------
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
bernhardas wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Honestly, I've seen maybe a handful of good Trioplan pics out of hundreds upon hundreds of garbage ones. |
That must refer to me
Thank you!
I agree that it should be waaaaaaay cheaper. |
Actually, I think you posted one of palm fronds that I thought was great. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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