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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:54 am    Post subject: carl zeiss luminar 63mm f4.5 mount Reply with quote
Is the carl zeiss luminar 63mm f4.5 any good?

What mount is a carl zeiss luminar 63mm f4.5? any way to adapt it to eos-m?


I'm bidding on one on ebay.


PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Roger,

I don't know a damned thing about the Luminar but if these samples off the web are any indication I would say it is worth bidding on.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnhallmen/3990029525
https://www.tumblr.com/search/carl%20zeiss%20luminar%2063mm%20f4.5

Steve


PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
bernhardas wrote:
The luminars are specialized micro lenses. For 3x to 30x enlargement. They were originally planned to be used in a special micro device ( the one for the contarex was called tessovar). You will need a bellows that fits your camera, and an adapter from the screw mount lens to the bellows.



Is it RMS? Like this adapter? http://rafcamera.com/en/adapter-rms-to-canon-eos-m

How do I find the/a correct bellows?


PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are similar accessories and lenses available from Olympus, Nikon and also from Minolta. Those "specialists" are rather rare and relatively expensive. Real microscope lenses for larger magnification are available almost for free. Even from the "famous" German manufacturers.
It is somehow in the middle between normal bellows macro and rather extreme microscope photography.

However, I strongly recommend to gain some experience with macro photography first before stepping deeper into this category. It is not that easy to produce good results just with a lens like this. Special light equipment is also strongly recommended and a tilt/shift bellows is the best tool in between such a lens and the camera to control the very shallow depth of view for good results.

I doubt that it would be possible just with an adapter lens combination on any camera to get really good results without proper accessories. It's rather tricky to do it right, although the digital photography made it much more easier today. However, to play around with such lenses for just a few bucks wouldn't be a failure on the other hand, if you get it for very little money. A reversed lens on a bellows could possibly be the better start. So from my point of view the accessory is more important than any lens used. Any standard lens (which you already have) reverted results in a rather good macro lens and a reverse ring doesn't cost more than a glass of beer.

The main question is always what you want to achieve. If that is clear then you should try to get the best equipment for that.
However, it's a rather cumbersome process also nowadays to produce a really good and sharp picture of e.g. a complete tiny insect with such a lens. That should be clear beforehand to avoid frustrations afterwards.

Just my 2 cents.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
There are similar accessories and lenses available from Olympus, Nikon and also from Minolta. Those "specialists" are rather rare and relatively expensive. Real microscope lenses for larger magnification are available almost for free. Even from the "famous" German manufacturers.
It is somehow in the middle between normal bellows macro and rather extreme microscope photography.

However, I strongly recommend to gain some experience with macro photography first before stepping deeper into this category. It is not that easy to produce good results just with a lens like this. Special light equipment is also strongly recommended and a tilt/shift bellows is the best tool in between such a lens and the camera to control the very shallow depth of view for good results.

I doubt that it would be possible just with an adapter lens combination on any camera to get really good results without proper accessories. It's rather tricky to do it right, although the digital photography made it much more easier today. However, to play around with such lenses for just a few bucks wouldn't be a failure on the other hand, if you get it for very little money. A reversed lens on a bellows could possibly the better start. So from my point of view the accessory is more important than any lens used. Any standard lens (which you already have) reverted results in a rather good macro lens and a reverse ring doesn't cost more than a glass of beer.

The main question is always what you want to achieve. If that is clear then you should try to get the best equipment for that.
However, it's a rather cumbersome process also nowadays to produce a really good and sharp picture of e.g. a complete tiny insect with such a lens. That should be clear beforehand to avoid frustrations afterwards.

Just my 2 cents.


Understood, I posted the link to the sale in the MFL club, as I agree I bid before I knew what it was. Other than it was cheap, and normally sells for much much more than it's current listing. I'm not in it for money, thus anyone feel free to overbid my $40 max bid.


PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
vroger wrote:

Understood, I posted the link to the sale in the MFL club, as I agree I bid before I knew what it was. Other than it was cheap, and normally sells for much much more than it's current listing. I'm not in it for money, thus anyone feel free to overbid my $40 max bid.


Those lenses seem to be overpriced nowadays anyway. I've seen some of them listed for several hundred $.
Stunning results up to 3:1 (300% magnification on the film or sensor!!) can also be achieved by the reverse method or a combination of lenses and/or bellows. That means you can produce a large poster from a tiny fly for instance.
That's good enough for 99% of macro photography. These special lenses are more for scientific documentary purposes where higher magnification is required.
Therefore I would not even buy one for 40 $. Wink


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, the Zeiss Luminars were the reason I started my site macroleses.de (and its predecessor) many years ago. you'll find all data there...
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