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Karhallarn
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 577
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:30 pm Post subject: Which would be the best small 200mm? |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Hi guys!
It's been a long time since my last visit.
This time I'm looking for a compact and sharp 200mm lens for my NX300M.
I think it should best be an f4 as the f2.8 or normally to big for my taste. My 50-200 zoom lens isn't bad a tall but it needs to be stopped down to f6.3-f7.1 to get sharp.
Any recommendations? I own Konica AR, Minolta MD, Canon FD and Nikon Ai adapter but would ad another one if it's worth!
Cheers,
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Minolta MC/MC or Nikkor AI-S 4/200mm _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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glaebhoerl
Joined: 03 May 2014 Posts: 100 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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glaebhoerl wrote:
Disclaimer: I haven't owned any of these (yet). The smallest 200mm is probably the Olympus OM 200/5 (at least, I haven't heard of a smaller one). At a slightly shorter 180mm, the Leitz Elmar-R 180/4 and Meyer Telemegor 180/5.5 are quite small (Elmar-R is short but not as light, Telemegor very light but not as short). Smallest of all is the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 180/4, but it's very expensive. All of which doesn't really answer your question directly - I have no idea about 200/4 lenses - but perhaps still useful to know. _________________ use: 40/1.4 Zuiko; 50/1.4 Takumar; 85/2 Rokkor; 105/2.5 Nikkor; 200/5 Zuiko.
have: Lens Turbo II; 20/2.8 Flektogon; "25/1.4 APS-C"; 28/2.8 Industar; 35/1.8 Rokkor; 35-70/3.5 Rokkor; 50/1.4 Prakticar; 50/1.7 Zenitar-M; 50/1.8 Pancolar; 50/2 Jupiter; 55/2.8 Industar; 57/1.4 Hexanon; 58/1.8 RE.Auto-Topcor; 58/2 Helios; 100/2.8 Zuiko; 135/2.8 Pentacon, Yashica ML; 135/3.5 Pentax-M, Rokkor, Fujinon; 180/5.6 Sigma; 200/5.6 Tele-Takumar.
want: 12/2 Samyang; 20/4 Pentax-M; 24/2.8 Zuiko; 28/3.5 Pentax; 35/2.4 Prakticar; 35/3.5 Takumar; 50/1.5 Sonnar; 58/2 Small Biotar; 75/1.8 Fujinon-TV; 100/3.5 Canon (LTM); 135/2.5 Takumar; 135/3.5 Prakticar.
in my dreams: 80/1.8 Prakticar; 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarit-M; 180/4 APO-Lanthar; 250/5.6 Rokkor.
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I have the Meyer Telemegor f/5.5 lenses and they are indeed small, but need to be stopped down even further for sharpness. I also have the Rokkor 4/200 which is good from f/4 and light enough even if not particularly small. The Topcor 5.6/200 is small and a very good performer (despite what you might read). The Rokkor and Topcor are about equal at wide open, with maybe a slight edge to the Topcor. _________________ Regards,
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Topcor 5.6/200. Anything else that can match it in performance is twice the size. It's sharper wide open at 5.6 than many faster 200s are stopped down to 5.6. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
There are some zooms that are smaller than the fixed focals.
Tokina SD 70-210 is tiny by comparison with most 200mm lenses and is cheap in FD mount
Sample attached
There are probably others
OH
Tokina next to Takumar 3.5/200
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Leica R 180/3.4 APO is very good. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Yesterday I took a bunch of Pentacon's with me when I went for a walk, it nearly killed me. Today I wanted to travel light so I loaded up with mid range Takumars, and for telephoto I took the old Pre Set 200 / 5.6 which is maybe a fraction of a gram lighter than the f4.
I was not dissapointed, it's a great lens, and so is the f4.
I've got a few other 200's that are f3.5 and not particularly heavy, compared to the Pentacon, but they are newer - 1970 1980 -Chinon, Photax, Prinzflex type third parrty lenses which are OK, but not a patch on the Tak's.
I looked at an Olympus 200 / 4 and it was really nice, compact and light, but full of fungus. I'd certainly get one when I see a good one. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
+1 Tele-Takumar 5.6/200
Small lens weighs 370g compared to 550g for 4/200. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
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Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
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VLR
Joined: 05 Mar 2015 Posts: 86
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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VLR wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
+1 Tele-Takumar 5.6/200
Small lens weighs 370g compared to 550g for 4/200. |
There's a version of the Minolta MD 200 f/4 which only weighs 400 g instead of the usual 520 g. Have a look at this entry in the Minolta SR mount lens database. Considering you already own a version of the Minolta, you can judge if it's performance suits your needs and then look for the lighter one. But there are a lot of other good ideas in the thread _________________ http://vintagelensreviews.com/
Reviews of vintage Minolta SR mount lenses and more |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
The tamron adaptall-2 200mm f3.5 is pretty compact, 540g and pretty sharp and has the twin adavantages over those topcors/telemegors/oddball olympuses or rokkors etc of being readily available and cheap! _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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padam
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 175 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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padam wrote:
Had to Zuiko 200/4, pretty good lens, now have the Minolta New MD 200/4 (last version) it has 6 aperture blades versus 8 on the Oly, both have a neat built-in hood, I don't see a big difference in performance but it feels quite a bit lighter and the focus is smoother too.
It just seems nicer to handle overall.
APO-Lanthar 180/4 is way above these lenses (smaller, considerably sharper, much less CA, much better minimum focusing distance) but it is rare, therefore extremely expensive. I might look for one yet again, although I hated the reversed focus rotation. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I also vote for the Leica Elmar-R 4/180. Excellent lens, relatively compact and one of the most affordable Leica-R-lenses. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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vroger
Joined: 23 Jul 2014 Posts: 623 Location: MN
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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vroger wrote:
SMC Pentax-DA 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED is 255g. hard to beat that...
Perhaps the E-Zuiko AUTO-T 200mm f/4.0 as it is 515g ?
or the Tamron 200mm f/3.5 Model 04B 540 g
Or as strange as it sounds, the Canon EF 100-300mm f/5.6 L is light, at 695g. _________________ Roger Lund
Canon EOS-M, Fuji X-E2, Helois 44-0 Vintage, Helois 44-4, Canon FD 50mm 1.8, Jupiter 8 50mm F2, Jupiter 3 50mm F1.5, Canon Serenar 50mm 1.9, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM, Canon Serenar 85mm F2, Leica 50mm f2 summar, E.Ludwig 50mm F2.9, Rekagon will.wetzlar 50mm 2.8,, a.schacht ulm travenar 135mm F3.5, CZJ 29mm 2.8 Hoya 28mm 2.8, CZ Tessar 50mm 2.8, MIR 37mm. 2.8, Porst Color Reflex MC 50mm 1.7, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 mc cf
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Dazey
Joined: 26 Jan 2014 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dazey wrote:
As several others said, leica elmar-R 180mm f4. It is very small, same size as most 135mms and affordable. The only other one I am aware of to compete on size is the uber expensive voigtlander 180mm f4. All the others are larger as far as I know (granted both are 20mm short).
(I tried and rejected the Konica 200mm f4 on route to the elmar as it was too long) |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1658
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
The takumar 5,6/200, the fuji 4,5/200, the retina schneider 4,8/200 andf a lot more good lenses. I understand that you will use the lens near F/8 to 11.
To use wide open or so, between the F/2,8 to 4,5, perhaps you will need a very, very good lens; the more cheap should be the apo telyt 3,4/180.
Here, in the forum, there are very good pics taken by Orio with that lens.
Horacio. |
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Karhallarn
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 577
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!
I've got a lot to think about now!
Actually I want to use the lens wide open!
As you all got so much good advice, how about a good 24mm wide angle for Astroshots? _________________ www.MoWePhoto.de
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Samyang/Rokinon 24mm F1.4.,sharp and with good coma correction. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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cyrano
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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cyrano wrote:
The smallest lens I have in the 200mm ballpark is the Elmar 180mm. I have the MC 200mm f3.5 and it's a tank of a lens, beautiful to hold and heft but it aint compact by any means. _________________ A whole bunch of stuff. |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
Karhallarn wrote: |
Actually I want to use the lens wide open!
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The tamron adaptall 200mm f3.5 04B isn't so hot wide open IME - softer and tends to show pf/fringing.
If you are thinking of f3.5 - f4.5 in terms of aperture for your shots, then the SP Adaptall 63B 180mm f2.5 is a fast premium lens which will really deliver at those f's, being already closed down a stop. But it's a hefty 800g, uncommon .. and about 10x the price of a 4B! _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
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Analog lex
Joined: 10 Nov 2013 Posts: 95 Location: East Europe
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Analog lex wrote:
Jupiter-21m 200mm/f4. It cheap, bright, kinda sharp. 8 leafs aperture(circular saw shape). _________________ =-=Canon eos 1100D=-=Zenit-E=-=
[RMC Tokina 35-105 macro FD][CZJ Sonnar 135mm f4 Exa][Jupiter-11 135mm f4 (silver)M39][Helios 44m-6][Helios-44-2 2/58][Vega-11u m39][Industar-50u][Tair-3fs][Mir-1B 2,8/37 (ВОЗМ)] |
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1827 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:50 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Tamron 5.9/200 - very small and light for a 200mm
Also quite nice for being only a triplet
http://m42lens.com/m42-lens-database/1179-hanimex-tamron-200mm-f-5-9-22 _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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Langstrum
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 351
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Langstrum wrote:
I tried several 200mm lenses since it's my favorite range and the FD 80-200mm f4 L is the best: light weight, compact, close focus, flexible and very sharp from wide open. It's the only zoom lens I keep in my collection and also the best bargain I've found ($85). I suggested this lens for my friend and when he used it on his A7, it outperformed other primes _________________
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Canon EF 50/1.8; EF 200/2.8 L, EF 200/1.8 L, EF 300/4 L Sony E mount SEL 50/1.8 OSS, SEL 16/2.8 Fuji X mount XF 35/1.4 R
MF Lenses: Peleng MC 8/3.5, 17/2.8 Samyang 14/T3.1, 35/T1.5, TS 24/3.5 ED, 85/T1.5, Polar 85/1.4 Auto Revuenon 28/2.8; MC 50/1.4 Vega11U 50/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 (exakta mount) Auto Chinon 50/1.9 Zenitar ME1 50/1.7 Sears Auto Sears 55/1.4; Sears 135/2.8 Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4; Tomioka 50/1.2 SMC Pentax 50/1.7; 50/1.4 Canon FD 50/1.4 S.S.C; 55/1.2 S.S.C; FD 50/1.2 L; FD 85/1.2 L; 85/1.2 S.S.C Aspherical; FD 80-200/4 L 300/2.8 S.S.C Fluorite FD 300/2.8 L FD 200/1.8 LCosina-S 50/1.2 Helios Helios 44 Chrome f/22, 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 (58/2), Helios-40 85/1.5 Jupiter Jupiter-9 85/2; Jupiter-37A 135/3.5; Jupiter-21M 200/4 Nikon Ai 105/2.5 Tairs-3S 300/4.5
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Karhallarn wrote: |
Thank you all for the responses!
I've got a lot to think about now!
Actually I want to use the lens wide open!
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I have tested quite a bunch of 180mm / 200mm lenses both on 16MP APS-C as well as on 24/36MP FF:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sony-af/objektiv-vergleiche/220-200mm-firenze-2008
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/333-sony-a7r-ze-1-8-55mm-mc-1-4-50mm-mc-2-8-21mm-mc-4-200mm
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektiv-vergleiche/338-nex-5n-und-minolta-200mm-teleobjektive
Two of them are outstanding; both can be used wide open on FF 24MP cameras:
1) Minolta MC / MD 200mm 1:4
2) Minolta AF 200mm 1:2.8 APO G
Neither the Canon New FD 4/200mm nor the New FD 4/80-200mm do match them (unpublished test results).
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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