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uddhava
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 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:15 pm Post subject: Kiev 4a takeup spool |
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uddhava wrote:
I bought a new Kiev 4a camera but it does not have a take up spool. Any solutions? Especially one you have used?
Thanks for replies. ....How about from an Exa camera?
I decided to add a photo of the camera. Sorry so late.
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kansalliskala
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kansalliskala wrote:
that's usually fixed, not removable
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miran
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miran wrote:
I'm not an authority on 35mm Kievs and I really don't have much experience with them (except for one Kiev 4 which I own), but I think Kievs don't actually have their own take up spools. I just use the spool from the previous film and that works fine for me. |
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philslizzy
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philslizzy wrote:
The Kiev spool has a slot at the bottom of the spool to take the tongue of the film. A normal 35mm spool from an old cassette will do the job but there is only a little slit in the centre.
Use one of these and tape the film tongue to it. I put my finger on the sticky tape first to reduce the 'tack' so when its rewound it will pull off the spool.
You can usually pick up a spool on ebay. I'll look I may have a spare in a broken camera...
Phil
edit: just looked both cameras have the spool missing sorry
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uddhava
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
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The Kiev spool has a slot at the bottom of the spool to take the tongue of the film. A normal 35mm spool from an old cassette will do the job but there is only a little slit in the centre.
Use one of these and tape the film tongue to it. I put my finger on the sticky tape first to reduce the 'tack' so when its rewound it will pull off the spool.
You can usually pick up a spool on ebay. I'll look I may have a spare in a broken camera...
Phil
edit: just looked both cameras have the spool missing sorry |
How about using a Exa spool? I would have to load the film into the opposite side though.
Or I could pick one up on ebay. |
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philslizzy
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philslizzy wrote:
A diy solution here
http://elekm.net/zeiss-ikon/repair/spool.html
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uddhava wrote:
Thanks! |
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uddhava
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uddhava wrote:
| kansalliskala wrote: |
that's usually fixed, not removable |
I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool. |
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kansalliskala wrote:
| uddhava wrote: |
| kansalliskala wrote: |
that's usually fixed, not removable |
I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool. |
sorry - I never understood the 4 - 4a - 4m -4am lettering,
I think the 4am should be 4ma. 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
| kansalliskala wrote: |
| uddhava wrote: |
| kansalliskala wrote: |
that's usually fixed, not removable |
I believe that is for the 4m and 4am models.
Mine is just 4a, an older model with removable take up spool. |
sorry - I never understood the 4 - 4a - 4m -4am lettering,
I think the 4am should be 4ma. |
That makes sense.
BTW, is there someplace on the camera where the model is written? |
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kansalliskala
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kansalliskala wrote:
| uddhava wrote: |
| BTW, is there someplace on the camera where the model is written? |
Don't know.
But the plastic shutter time dial and hot shoe are easiest to spot?
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Attila wrote:
EXa spool is perfect, I use it also everywhere include Kiev.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
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| EXa spool is perfect, I use it also everywhere include Kiev. |
Thank you, Attila. I loaded some film in it. I am excited, this is a beautiful camera, although a bit worn and has a very nice rangefinder+viewfinder. The shutter seems to be operating properly. The lens is very nice. I need to write down the sunny 16 guide on a card and go out and shoot! |
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Attila wrote:
count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar.
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philslizzy wrote:
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| count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar. |
I agree with this, mine was a little overexposing. But use sunny 16 for your film anyway, a little over exposure is better than under exposure and as you know, the film latitude will take care of everything else.
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uddhava wrote:
| philslizzy wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| count speeds to half at least on a few frames, majority of them is slower without maintenance. works, works but 1/250 only 1/100 or similar. |
I agree with this, mine was a little overexposing. But use sunny 16 for your film anyway, a little over exposure is better than under exposure and as you know, the film latitude will take care of everything else. |
Okay, thanks for the tips. |
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titrisol70 wrote:
Mike Elek solution works great!
I have an old FOMA spool with some masking tape ... no problem |
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