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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

Perhaps some of you have seen these announcements?

A 35/1.8 from the (now) Chinese company Yasuhara, which may or may not bear any resemblance to the Japanese Yashuara of the 90's. Apparently will retail for US$299. The MTF doesn't look overly impressive to me, or rather so the sample images provided. It will have less than 0.5% distortion across the whole image, though, so it's possible the resolution while not a lot, may be even across the frame. This is for mirrorless.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/6351133028/yasuhara-announces-35mm-f1-8-manual-lens-for-canon-rf-nikon-z-and-sony-e-mount-cameras

This looks much more interesting, made by a new company where the lead designer has designed many cinema lenses. US$420 on Taobao, but apparently will retail higher at $599 in USA and Europe (hmmm, trade war anyone?). It will come in Canon EF and Nikon F mounts.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7374499355/dulens-apo-85mm-f2-is-a-new-manual-prime-lens-for-canon-ef-nikon-f-camera-systems

There are more sample images over at Xitek: http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1852719-1-1-1.html
Looks like an Otus competitor!

Both are manual focus, of course.
Any thoughts on them?


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

Teemō wrote:
Perhaps some of you have seen these announcements?

A 35/1.8 from the (now) Chinese company Yasuhara, which may or may not bear any resemblance to the Japanese Yashuara of the 90's.


Obviously the company is still the same, and it still is Japanese (http://www.yasuhara.co.jp/). Don't rely on the chatter going on at dpreview here's more reliable source (https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/):

"The man behind these lenses is Shin Yasuhara, a documentary filmmaker that also owns this lens company where he’s made a few other very interesting lenses that have been well received. I’ve been talking to him quite a bit over the last few months about things actually unrelated to lens design as I’ve been trying to learn more about the history of Japan and cool locations to shoot. He seems to be a very passionate guy that loves history and art and hopefully, that continues to be reflected in future lens designs."
https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/

The Yasuhara 1.8/35mm is made in Japan:
"The lens I have been using has was the fourth one built, but I’m told this design is it and the optical formula is set. What’s really nice about this lens is that it’s made in Japan which means you’re getting all those nice Japanese optics and quality control. No corners cut with designs or optical composites."

The lens is smaller than the (already very small) Sony Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/35mm!

And yes, I've been in contact with them as well, by e-mail.

Stephan

Stephan


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoo Turtle the 85 looks really good!


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
Whoo Turtle the 85 looks really good!

It looks like the Sonnar 85 f2.8 QBM


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

Teemō wrote:
35/1.8 ... for US$299.

You've got my attention...


Quote:
409g

Quote:
Nikon-style focus direction on Sony

... and the crowd goes mild! Laugh 1


If I'm to go and splash money on 35/1.8, pretty sure Minolta 35/1.8 would be more preferrable.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellows, I am pretty surprised with the samples from https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/. Seen the innovation and the price, the lens lets expect IQ of the Voigtlander class. But those samples look for me rather like a 4.5/50 triplet. Which not a bad thing in itself. But what's the point to get a f1.8 9-glass lens that renders like a f4.5 3-glass?


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

Teemō wrote:
Perhaps some of you have seen these announcements?

A 35/1.8 from the (now) Chinese company Yasuhara, which may or may not bear any resemblance to the Japanese Yashuara of the 90's. Apparently will retail for US$299. The MTF doesn't look overly impressive to me, or rather so the sample images provided. It will have less than 0.5% distortion across the whole image, though, so it's possible the resolution while not a lot, may be even across the frame. This is for mirrorless.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/6351133028/yasuhara-announces-35mm-f1-8-manual-lens-for-canon-rf-nikon-z-and-sony-e-mount-cameras

This looks much more interesting, made by a new company where the lead designer has designed many cinema lenses. US$420 on Taobao, but apparently will retail higher at $599 in USA and Europe (hmmm, trade war anyone?). It will come in Canon EF and Nikon F mounts.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7374499355/dulens-apo-85mm-f2-is-a-new-manual-prime-lens-for-canon-ef-nikon-f-camera-systems

There are more sample images over at Xitek: http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1852719-1-1-1.html
Looks like an Otus competitor!

Both are manual focus, of course.
Any thoughts on them?


Another Chinese maker called Meike has the 85mm f/1.8. for Sony FE. It is tempting as well.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex ph wrote:
Fellows, I am pretty surprised with the samples from https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/. Seen the innovation and the price, the lens lets expect IQ of the Voigtlander class. But those samples look for me rather like a 4.5/50 triplet. Which not a bad thing in itself. But what's the point to get a f1.8 9-glass lens that renders like a f4.5 3-glass?

To my eye It's a pretty lovely picture for a compact fast 35.
If purple vignetting wasn't a thing, I don't think there is anything else wrong with how it renders.
It's likely not a very sharp lens though.


Cosina made 35/1.4, which seemingly raised more eyebrows than money because of IQ.
So perhaps be careful what you wish for Smile


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikon style focusing direction and no chip for EXIF in the mount. Less likely to make an EF lens user happy even if he has an A7RII + MC-11 to mount it.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it worth spending $299 on the 35mm f1.8 when there are much cheaper classic lenses with similar spec?


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
Teemō wrote:
Perhaps some of you have seen these announcements?

A 35/1.8 from the (now) Chinese company Yasuhara, which may or may not bear any resemblance to the Japanese Yashuara of the 90's.


Obviously the company is still the same, and it still is Japanese (http://www.yasuhara.co.jp/). Don't rely on the chatter going on at dpreview here's more reliable source (https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/):

"The man behind these lenses is Shin Yasuhara, a documentary filmmaker that also owns this lens company where he’s made a few other very interesting lenses that have been well received. I’ve been talking to him quite a bit over the last few months about things actually unrelated to lens design as I’ve been trying to learn more about the history of Japan and cool locations to shoot. He seems to be a very passionate guy that loves history and art and hopefully, that continues to be reflected in future lens designs."
https://alikgriffin.com/yasuhara-anthy-35mm-f1-8-review-sample-photos/

The Yasuhara 1.8/35mm is made in Japan:
"The lens I have been using has was the fourth one built, but I’m told this design is it and the optical formula is set. What’s really nice about this lens is that it’s made in Japan which means you’re getting all those nice Japanese optics and quality control. No corners cut with designs or optical composites."

The lens is smaller than the (already very small) Sony Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/35mm!

And yes, I've been in contact with them as well, by e-mail.

Stephan

Stephan


Well, I guess people are not giving away their trust so easily now, especially after the Meyer Optik scam and Yasuhara's history of Chinese-made products. I don't think it matters where the lens is made, as long as it is good.

It's true, it's quite small - especially compared to the Sony 35/1.8, and if you say it is a bit smaller than the SZ 35/2.8 then that's actually an excellent result.
While obviously a budget optic, it could be a good modern replacement for those using lenses like the small Minolta MD 35/1.8 who want something that performs similarly but designed for mirrorless cameras, at a price not much greater than vintage lenses.

For me though, the contrast seems too weak and it doesn't sharpen up much when stopped down. If they could release it in LTM then I might be convinced to try it, but the controls face the wrong direction compared too all of my other lenses too, and I already have the excellent LTM CV 35/1.8 which is around the same price or less.

Overall the images are nice, with smooth transitions and out of focus areas, but there just isn't much definition between the point of focus and the rest of the image when wide open. At least the detail is fairly consistent across the frame and the negligible distortion is a nice change of pace compared to many mirrorless lenses and their software correction.

Mr. Yasuhara's passion is enviable, and I think he has made the correct decision to focus on compact lenses with good imaging characteristics, and generally disregarding 'paper' performance.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philslizzy wrote:
Is it worth spending $299 on the 35mm f1.8 when there are much cheaper classic lenses with similar spec?

If it was pretty good and lightweight, then I think yes: it would have been worth it.

Looks like budget tiny bright 35s are cursed.
Mitakon 35/2, 7Artisans 35/2, 7Artisans 35/1.4... and now this Yasuhara. Did I miss anything?

Personally I'm not hell-bent on using vintage MF lenses, I'm just after good MF experience.
But so far, I have to agree: picking any of those over vintage Minolta or Canon is a questionable decision.

Either those, or you have to go much higher in price aiming for something significantly better.


P.S. The 85 is looking really good though. Might be well worth of it's price.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: New 35/1.8 and 85/2 for FF Reply with quote

Teemō wrote:
A 35/1.8 .... will retail for US$299.


....85/2 will retail higher at $599 in USA and Europe

Any thoughts on them?


For $900 you can acquire any number of proven 35/85 combos, from vintage to modern AF, and that includes f/2.8 zooms.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 7Artisans 35/1.4 in E mount cost only $199USD which might be good choice for A7 users.
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-7artisans-35-1-4/#First_impressions


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gardener wrote:
Teemō wrote:
A 35/1.8 .... will retail for US$299.


....85/2 will retail higher at $599 in USA and Europe

Any thoughts on them?


For $900 you can acquire any number of proven 35/85 combos, from vintage to modern AF, and that includes f/2.8 zooms.


Of course, but I feel like we are not the target market for these lenses and we are all fairly aware of alternative options that may better or cheaper. I think if these were rangefinder mounted and coupled they would be of better value at the current prices, at least they will be even cheaper 2nd hand.

calvin83 wrote:
The 7Artisans 35/1.4 in E mount cost only $199USD which might be good choice for A7 users.
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-7artisans-35-1-4/#First_impressions


Not a good lens in my opinion, even for the money. Too cheap and too uninteresting in terms of imaging characteristics compared to vintage lenses, or the new Yasuhara lens even if it's not as sharp. I think those 7artisans lenses in general only appealed to beginners, particularly M-Leica/Bessa owners.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 85 does sound interesting but I already have a Leica M 90/2 APO and 100/2.8 APO, I am more interested in a 28 & 40mm APO lenses, perhaps you can pass that request along that would be awesome.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider the 7Artisans 35/1.4 good as an portrait lens, not a general purpose lens. If one don't mind a larger lens when adapted, the Minolta MD 35/1.8 might be good general purpose lens if one will adapter the lens on different MILC cameras.

@Lightshow
Get yourself a L-mount camera like the S1, you can use all the AF APO L-mount lenses from Leica. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
I would consider the 7Artisans 35/1.4 good as an portrait lens, not a general purpose lens. If one don't mind a larger lens when adapted, the Minolta MD 35/1.8 might be good general purpose lens if one will adapter the lens on different MILC cameras.

@Lightshow
Get yourself a L-mount camera like the S1, you can use all the AF APO L-mount lenses from Leica. Wink

Only if you buy the lenses for me. Wink


PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, there is a M mount version which perform better for 380USD.
https://www.35mmc.com/24/09/2019/ttartisan-35mm-f-1-4-asph-review-by-vincent-bihler/


PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
BTW, there is a M mount version which perform better for 380USD.
https://www.35mmc.com/24/09/2019/ttartisan-35mm-f-1-4-asph-review-by-vincent-bihler/

Yep, TTArtisan 35/1.4 looks like a really great lens.
It is just as heavy as Yasuhara, but at least it has a build quality and IQ to show for it.

I wonder, how it performs on A7 series.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
I would consider the 7Artisans 35/1.4 good as an portrait lens, not a general purpose lens. If one don't mind a larger lens when adapted, the Minolta MD 35/1.8 might be good general purpose lens if one will adapter the lens on different MILC cameras.

@Lightshow
Get yourself a L-mount camera like the S1, you can use all the AF APO L-mount lenses from Leica. Wink

Only if you buy the lenses for me. Wink

How about an APO 50?
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/voigtlander-has-announced-the-new-50mm-f-2-0-lanthar-fe-macro-lens/


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
BTW, there is a M mount version which perform better for 380USD.
https://www.35mmc.com/24/09/2019/ttartisan-35mm-f-1-4-asph-review-by-vincent-bihler/
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this lens yet! They also plan a fast 31mm M-lens.
Could be an interesting addition to my M-kit Whoo Turtle