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Lens with Bokeh like Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1, yes you are perfectly right, BUT trioplan 100 requires less conditions to achieve that praised bubbles in bokeh. Two years ago when I saw trioplan 100 made pictures, I said to myself "Hey, those are spherical aberrations, I am sure that this can be achieved on other then trioplan 100 lenses." And fs trioplan 100 already was rather pricey, I've started to search, buy, try. Now, two years and like 10 lenses later I've bought my trioplan 100 and even on simple tests I see the difference Smile YET you're still right.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct, Trioplan is not special. People should sell accordingly. I'll buy one out of pity.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Meyer f2.8/50mm Trioplan: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157647498715330/

The Steinheil Cassarit 2.8/50mm: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157647927267742/

The Steinheil Cassarit f3.5/100mm: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157648368362182/

The Minolta Rokkor-TC f4/135mm : https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157647841639577/

The Meyer Orestor f2.8/100mm https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157648029908525/

so many lenses are able to produce "bubbles" ....

Here the original Trioplan 2.8/100mm: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157626697409814/

If you know what causes them and how to arrange your subjects, the background and light, it is really not difficult. I can do that with about any lens... Wink


PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Klaus, but as I annoyingly said to Lightshow, it is the character of the bubble, not just a bubble. Macheck got very close here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129563138@N03/16504340506/in/set-72157650823856435.jpg


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kds315, among your photos only some from ... trioplan 50 (of course!) have "that right kind of bubbles", and, of course, they are small. To give large circles a 50mm lens should have speed 1.4.

"Right" bubbles are not only non uniform, but have a sharp bright border. That what makes them so attractive. Something like this - https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/15323028165/in/set-72157647498715330


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh, I get really tired with this thread: Go get a Trioplan if you want those bubbles and don't be so cheap!
Basically that whole thread boils down to just one point: "how can I have it if I can't afford it" Twisted Evil

I'm out...


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's about "how can I have it if I can't afford it", but I can't see why it is wrong... Personally I already have trioplan 100 and I am posting here to help other people make their decisions. Including those that are on a strict budget. That alone doesn't make them worse...

Well, at least this is how I see it.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole forum is about having lenses cheaply vs. modern expensive lenses.... for the most part. I freely admit I cannot pay the large dollars for the big Trioplan. However, my dilemma and struggle is in realizing that I have spent in total much more money on cheaper lenses than would cost fewer very desirable ones. I suppose it is psychological. Nevertheless, it is good to know how other lenses compare.

I have hit the magical bubbles a few times and I continue to study the circumstances needed. We have seen where big Trioplan can also fail to provide the desirable bubbles - Klaus' images from it also largely miss the target. I am coming to the conclusion that smaller - maybe more dim - specular highlights seem to produce them better than very bright and large highlights. I find this true when photographing the smaller twinkles reflected from water. Here are two examples where water provided... first is 50mm Trioplan and second is Domiplan...




PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess what is magical and desirable to some is simply boring, uninspired, banal and unoriginal to others.

Bubbles are one thing, but a picture that has bubbles but also works artistically, is interesting and has some merit is entirely another.

I agree with Klaus, this thread has become tiresome.

Quote:
Gosh, I get really tired with this thread: Go get a Trioplan if you want those bubbles and don't be so cheap!
Basically that whole thread boils down to just one point: "how can I have it if I can't afford it" Twisted Evil


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't feel compelled to follow it... or comment.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there will always be newcomers (like me, hehe Smile ), whoa are interested in the topic. I admit, circles only images are not my goal at all. I am aiming to shoot some beautiful flowers with that kind bokeh, it looks gorgeous. But to create good images like that one needs to know HOW to do it. And as right now all I have in my possession is dirty snow under dull gray sky, I am accumulating the theory. And I am deeply grateful for everyone who gave me some bits of knowledge which I will test as soon as the spring springs out Smile


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I have not had good sunlight or the time to properly test my new Primotar and Telemegor 150&180 lenses. It seems the 150mm may have the most potential for the bubbles, although none are showing them like Trioplan.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was posted by someone on a thread I started at FM.

Source http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1308057/1

Jupitier-3 ?

And some the same thread.


olympus pen f 38/1.8

Check out the posts.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vroger: Your FM post was more open to effects than here, but still good. When a topic like this starts, it seems to naturally attract many interpretations and morph into more than the desired target effect. The Diaplan picture in your thread hits the mark perfectly. I hope I can achieve those results with my newly acquired Diaplan.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just seen this in the MD 35-70/3.5 thread, I didn't think this lens capable of this type of highlight bokeh.
http://forum.mflenses.com/minolta-md-35-70-3-5-macro-a-real-compact-gem-for-my-nex-t50391,start,45.html#1424883


PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of my first from test shot with MOG Telemegor 5.5/150. I will have better opportunities tomorrow...


PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Telemegor 5.5/150 showing some potential. Now to get it to happen in a serious picture.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jupiter-8M (Kiev mount) mounted in reverse:

Softest lens yet (Jupiter-8M) by scepticswe, on Flickr
Not the best example (very few OOF highlights), but definitely some bright outlines on the "bubbles".


PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it quite stunning, good classic Pentacon 1.8/50mm + extension tube (i hope FB link works):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=934850286548272&set=gm.952418091449560&type=1&theater


PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
I find it quite stunning, good classic Pentacon 1.8/50mm + extension tube (i hope FB link works):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=934850286548272&set=gm.952418091449560&type=1&theater


Yes, the Oreston and Primoplan both provide wonderful bokeh.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
I find it quite stunning, good classic Pentacon 1.8/50mm + extension tube (i hope FB link works):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=934850286548272&set=gm.952418091449560&type=1&theater

Wow that's the very same guy I've sold my Orestor to Smile


PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ennagon 85/2.8 projector



PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

someone mentioned smc 50/1.4 can produced similar kinda bokeh so i try some of 50/1.4 lens and the nikon pre-ai sc shows some potential:







PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steinheil Culminar 13,5cm is pretty close




PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Lars!!

Steinheil Culminar 2.8/50mm