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AlexWicks
Joined: 16 May 2012 Posts: 57 Location: Ipswich, UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: Lens with Bokeh like Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8? |
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AlexWicks wrote:
Hi,
Anyone know a lens with Bokeh like the Trioplan? Love the look, just not the £300 price tag
Preferably adaptable to EF-mount, but I'm considering an A7 so not necessarily
Cheers _________________ Cameras: Sony a7s | EOS 400D | Praktica MTL3, LTL3, LLC | FED 5B
Lenses: Helios 44-2 & 44-3 | Indulstar 61 LZ | Pentacon 35mm f2.8 | Pentacon 28mm f2.8 | Minolta 28mm f2.8 |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Domiplan 2.8/50, CZJ Tessar 2.8/50, Fujinon 2.2/55.
When used wide open these lenses all produce "bubbles" from highlights. |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primotar 3.5 135
That one is not too far from the trioplan. |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:00 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Meyer Oreston 1.8/50 and...
2.9/50 Trioplan
But the 2.8/100 Trioplan is king. _________________ Regards,
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
Primotar 135 and Telemegor 180 from the cheapos, compare
If you're about to buy Trioplan, the sooner the better, I guess. I invested €201 (and lost two sold around €180 earlier) about a half year ago which is sort of unreal now.
Very pretty pieces as the mine is goes easily over €300. The lens is getting overprized respecting its contribution for you or me as a photograher, like some other scarcer or most wanted (or really damn old) lens. On the contrary, the value of Telemegors stagnates. _________________ Angry young man !
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Marek wrote: |
Primotar 135 and Telemegor 180 from the cheapos, compare
If you're about to buy Trioplan, the sooner the better, I guess. I invested €201 (and lost two sold around €180 earlier) about a half year ago which is sort of unreal now.
Very pretty pieces as the mine is goes easily over €300. The lens is getting overprized respecting its contribution for you or me as a photograher, like some other scarcer or most wanted (or really damn old) lens. On the contrary, the value of Telemegors stagnates. |
Is true, I should have bought Trioplan when around $100. And the Telemegor I just bought very inexpensively. Marek: Did you use an extension for any of the butterfly shots? I don't imagine the 5.5/180 MFD to be very short. Some images look heavily processed; did you have to do that to get butterflies sharp? Beautiful renderings. _________________ Regards,
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Lot's of lens can produce similar bokeh than Trioplan 100, proper technic more important than lens at first glance, but finally all people end at Trioplan 100, Domiron 50mm f2.0 or Primotar 75mm f1.9, differences are little. People are not silly if they pay 300 UKP for an Eastern block lens that has serious reason. Personally I couldn't handle ever well Trioplan 100, I always sold it. _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:36 am Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
I watched recently the Trioplan 100mm lens on ebay. Last lenses were sold with prices ranging from 500-600 euros.
I regret not grabbed my M42 LBA earlier. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Meyer Diaplan 100mm f/2.8 and Pentacon AV 100mm f/2.8 as mentioned by Markus(ZoneV).
http://www.4photos.de/test/Meyer-Goerlitz-Trioplan-100mm-2.8.html _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:18 am Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
Domiplan 2.8/50, CZJ Tessar 2.8/50, Fujinon 2.2/55.
When used wide open these lenses all produce "bubbles" from highlights. |
All Tessar versions? |
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leorimkus
Joined: 06 Dec 2013 Posts: 7
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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leorimkus wrote:
All triplet scheme lenses give similar effect. For best result look for a similar FL and aperture.
I have these triplets: Prinzflex (rebranded Domiplan) 50/2.8, 80/2.8 from a soviet diaprojector, japanese Promura 135/3.5. I like 80/2.8 most.
edri wrote: |
Mos6502 wrote: |
Domiplan 2.8/50, CZJ Tessar 2.8/50, Fujinon 2.2/55.
When used wide open these lenses all produce "bubbles" from highlights. |
All Tessar versions? |
Domiplan is triplet, not tessar scheme. Don't know about Fujinon. |
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Humulus
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 130 Location: Poland
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
My Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f/2.8 gives nice and bubbly bokeh. It is an old, post-war alu version sold with Ihagee Exa cameras in the 50's. |
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Marek wrote: |
Primotar 135 and Telemegor 180 from the cheapos, compare
If you're about to buy Trioplan, the sooner the better, I guess. I invested €201 (and lost two sold around €180 earlier) about a half year ago which is sort of unreal now.
Very pretty pieces as the mine is goes easily over €300. The lens is getting overprized respecting its contribution for you or me as a photograher, like some other scarcer or most wanted (or really damn old) lens. On the contrary, the value of Telemegors stagnates. |
Is true, I should have bought Trioplan when around $100. And the Telemegor I just bought very inexpensively. Marek: Did you use an extension for any of the butterfly shots? I don't imagine the 5.5/180 MFD to be very short. Some images look heavily processed; did you have to do that to get butterflies sharp? Beautiful renderings. |
I presume my EXA but mint-lookin', clean, well functioning Trioplan might go just as high, but no, no way!
Telemegor can be sharp, even wide open. Unlike Trioplan. Sometimes I just screwed to handle the light or sharpness well due to complicated conditions (the sun too high on the sky; formerly the focus ring was very stiff; the butterflies might have been wilder than expected...)
On the other hand, I believe oversharpened Telemegor photos just tend to look far better than oversharpened photos of some other lens, having a certain feel of "photo-graphics" like that nectaring Lasiommata maera family of shots.
No tubes ever used, it's just all MFD. Didn't like it with. _________________ Angry young man !
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Yes, I have sought for a backup lens and found the Diaplan and Pentacon AV 100mm/2.8 projection lenses as very good copys of the Trioplan. Here I have made a small comparison between some Trioplan alternatives.
I have a Trioplan 100 , Domiplan 50, Primotar 135 and some Diaplan / Pentacon AV lenses with different focal lengths. Love the Trioplan most, but sometimes take the Pentacon AV 80 with me because is is smaller and lighter. Or I take a Diaplan / Pentacon AV 100 in the bag, because they have a bit more focussing range without extension tube in my setup, so a bit easier to work with. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Lot's of lens can produce similar bokeh than Trioplan 100, proper technic more important than lens at first glance, but finally all people end at Trioplan 100, Domiron 50mm f2.0 or Primotar 75mm f1.9, differences are little. |
Fujinon 1.8/55 - one of the cheapest of the Fujinon lenses and plentiful in the marketplace.
OH
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
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Fujinon 1.8/55 - one of the cheapest of the Fujinon lenses and plentiful in the marketplace.
OH... |
No, this is not the Trioplan like bokeh (Soap Bubble Bokeh) people normaly search for.
Here an example, not sure wheter it was made with the Trioplan or Diaplan / Pentacon AV - bokeh with really brighter borders:
_________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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JJB
Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 424 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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JJB wrote:
Not the same focal length, but the Meyer Gorlitz Oreston ( 50/1.8 ) can produce bubbles or creamy depending on how you use it. It's pretty cheap - I got mine on ebay recently with a camera body for $32 including postage. _________________ Nikon D80 with 18/55 kit lens
Fujifilm XE-1 with 18/55 kit lens
Lenses:
Konica Hexanon: 28/3.5, 50/1.7 (EE), 55/3.5 macro, 135/3.2 28-135/4-4.5, 80-200/4
Mamiya Sekor SX 28/2.8, 50/2, 55/1.4, 135/2.8
Minolta: 50/1.7, 35-70/3.5, 35-105/3.5-4.5
Olympus Zuiko: 28/3.5, 50/1.8, 85/2
Rikenon: 55/1.4
Soligor: 135s made by Tamron, Komura, Tokina
Takumar/Asahi/Pentax: Pentax M 35/2.8, SMC Takumar 35/3.5, 50/1.7 (Pentax) 55/1.8 (Super Tak), 105/2.8, 200/4
Tokina 60-300, 4-5.6
Tamron: 103A 80-210/3.8-4, 46A 70-210/3.8-4, 300/5.6 (Vernon Edonar)
Vivitar: 28/2.5, S1 28-90/2.8 (Komine), S1 70-210/3.5 (Kiron)
Yashica: ML 28/2.8, 50/2
Yashinon: 50/1.4
German: Meyer Gorlitz Oreston 50/1.8, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Isco Gottingen 135/3.5, Schneider-Kreuzach 200/5.5
Soviet: Helios 44/2, Helios 44/4, Industar 50/3.5 (both silver and black) |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
Wow incredible bokeh for higlights.
I have not really found on ebay these lenses (Pentacon AV or Diaplan). At what price they sell?
Projection lenses or enlarging lenses means the same thing? |
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dickb
Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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dickb wrote:
edri wrote: |
Projection lenses or enlarging lenses means the same thing? |
No, enlarging lenses are intended for enlarging negatives/slides onto photographic paper, have an aperture and a threaded mount, often m39. Projection lenses are intended for projecting film/slides/video onto a screen and usually have no aperture and no threaded mount, just a barrel that was intended to be focussed in the focus mount of the projector. Also projection lenses are usually faster than enlarging lenses. |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
I would have the opportunity to buy a preset Tessar lens. Is it worth the purchase of it for a bokeh like (I know not identical) Trioplan bokeh? |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
I think not every Tessar or Triplet type lens has the same bokeh, so search for lens name an bokeh images.
The Meyer Primotar 135 photo lens ist relative common and cheap.
The Trioplan or Pentacon AV 80mm/2.8 are cheap here in Germany with old East-German projectors (Pentacon Aspectar 150) - but you need some simple DIY. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Humulus wrote: |
My Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f/2.8 gives nice and bubbly bokeh. It is an old, post-war alu version sold with Ihagee Exa cameras in the 50's. |
Can you give an example? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011 Posts: 77 Location: PT
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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littleearth wrote:
The Meyer Primotar 135mm f3.5 has the exact same bokeh.
They are super cheap and readily available on ebay.
Examples :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisotruro/15645173396
https://www.flickr.com/photos/valpil58/10058356163
https://www.flickr.com/photos/czajol/12361946565/ |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
I have Primotar and Telemegor lenses.
But I want a smaller focal length, easier to use in low light. |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
ZoneV wrote: |
...The Trioplan or Pentacon AV 80mm/2.8 are cheap here in Germany with old East-German projectors (Pentacon Aspectar 150) - but you need some simple DIY. |
Thanks I have to watch after this projector.
At the moment I found only with Diaplan 80/3.5. |
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