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skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1826 Location: North East England
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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skida wrote:
Gerald wrote: |
I think the M in 44M means that the mount is M42. |
As far as I know, and from experience, the "M" denotes auto-aperture, ie. there is a pusher pin that closes the diaphragm when the shutter button is pushed. _________________ Lots of 35mm Film Cameras
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Lee|Ratters
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 78 Location: Bristol | UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Lee|Ratters wrote:
Could you not get a Helios of some description for everyday use & pick up a set of tubes for [almost] macro work? I picked up a set of two [13mm & 21mm] C/Y tubes for £11
I recently bought a 44-2 & nice & sharp but I'm not keen on the look of it...... Loses contrast shooting into light too but that's not much of a concern if you are aware & work around it. I wouldn't mind a 44M-2 or -3 but they seem thin on the ground at bargain prices compared to the 44M |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
It is remarkable how prices for Helios 44-2 and 44M have appreciated in the last twelve months.
From what I can see they have roughly doubled in price.
I wish the stock market had performed so well.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7776 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
It is remarkable how prices for Helios 44-2 and 44M have appreciated in the last twelve months.
From what I can see they have roughly doubled in price.
I wish the stock market had performed so well.
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I've been trying to sell some and haven't had one enquiery, perhaps the UK is flooded with them? I certainly don't bother buying them any more, and I've seen two for sale in charity shops this week, but they are attached to old Zenits and I really don't want any more of them! _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
skida wrote: |
Gerald wrote: |
I think the M in 44M means that the mount is M42. |
As far as I know, and from experience, the "M" denotes auto-aperture, ie. there is a pusher pin that closes the diaphragm when the shutter button is pushed. |
Then what does the K mean in a 44K4 if not K mount? _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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Langstrum
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 351
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Langstrum wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
skida wrote: |
Gerald wrote: |
I think the M in 44M means that the mount is M42. |
As far as I know, and from experience, the "M" denotes auto-aperture, ie. there is a pusher pin that closes the diaphragm when the shutter button is pushed. |
Then what does the K mean in a 44K4 if not K mount? |
K is definitely K mount, M may stand for M42 mount, but it can't explain why Helios 44, 44-2, 44-3, 44-7 without M still have M42 mount. And what is the other difference between Helios 44 and 44M, if not the A/M switch?
It makes me confused. _________________
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I'm sure that was their plan all along, confusion. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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Drack
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 735 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Drack wrote:
K stands for Pentax-K mount. The Zenit -A ( Automat) camera line had the K mount and for that they made the Helios-44K-4 lens. Tried 2 of them. Got awesome results from them. _________________ I have many great Russian cameras and lenses for sale on my ebay account, please check it out: http://www.ebay.com/sch/piksius/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686
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DSLR: Pentax K-x + 18-55 kit + f4 35-75mm
Mirrorless : Samsung NX-20 + 18-55 kit
M42 lense: Helios 44-2 , Helios 44-3, Helios 44m , Tair 3 Phs , Mir-1B , Jupiter-37a, Industar 50-2, Industar 61 L/Z, Tlear-N .
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eugene1979
Joined: 05 Nov 2014 Posts: 25
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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eugene1979 wrote:
On the APS-C camera the Helios-44M becomes a portrait prime lens with the pretty good maximum aperture of F/2. The lens is sharp enough at F/2 at the center of the frame but soft at the edges of the APS-C frame even at F/2.8. Overall the lens is not so sharp as the modern autofocus lenses with similar focal lengths and apertures. However it's good enough for short and medium distance shots at maximum apertures due to the narrow depth of field even with the APS-C sensors. As for the swirling background at F/2-2.8 you have to decide by yourself if you need to blame the lens for it or not. Anyway the price is so low and the build quality OF THE EXPORT VERSION is excellent that... why not try it?..
My review of my copy of the lens with shots at different apertures:
http://aflenses.ru/reviews/a-subjective-look-at-helios-44m-258-m42-fujifilm-x-pro1 |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Ray Parkhurst wrote: |
Holy cow, great responses, but so many differences between versions. Perhaps I should have stated what I wanted the lens for to narrow the choices...
I do coin photography, so am looking for a version that is optimized for macro work. |
I use a scanner! |
I pretty much agree with peter. I have had 44 eight blades, 44 13-blades, 44-2, 44-3, and 44M-7. While the M-7 was rated higher in resolution, I couldn't tell from results. In fact, my perception has been that the 44-2 is the best of them. I have sold the M-7 mainly because it doesn't feel good - cheap build quality. I'll sell the 44-3 too when I get around to it. Some 44-3 do not seat properly on an adapter; mine does - I had to look for right serial number range. I'll keep the 44-2 and do prefer the preset type. The 44 with eight blades does not seem to be as good as the 44-2, but it also falls way short of infinity and may be dirty inside. The 44 with 13-blades is not yet in hand, but I do look forward to trying it out.
They can all be had for relatively cheap. _________________ Regards,
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JJB
Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 424 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:54 am Post subject: |
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JJB wrote:
I have a 44-4 and a 44-2, both M42 mount. As has been mentioned, the 44-2 has a more swirly bokeh and the 44-4's is smoother. I tend to use the 44-4 as my go-to lens and haven't used the 44-2 as much and I'm not sure why. Inertia, perhaps?
I picked them up in the past couple of months and they ran between $20-30 each.
It pairs nicely with an extension tube if you want to do macro work. Here's a test shot I took when I first got it, I think at f8, handheld, 1/60.
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Minolta: 50/1.7, 35-70/3.5, 35-105/3.5-4.5
Olympus Zuiko: 28/3.5, 50/1.8, 85/2
Rikenon: 55/1.4
Soligor: 135s made by Tamron, Komura, Tokina
Takumar/Asahi/Pentax: Pentax M 35/2.8, SMC Takumar 35/3.5, 50/1.7 (Pentax) 55/1.8 (Super Tak), 105/2.8, 200/4
Tokina 60-300, 4-5.6
Tamron: 103A 80-210/3.8-4, 46A 70-210/3.8-4, 300/5.6 (Vernon Edonar)
Vivitar: 28/2.5, S1 28-90/2.8 (Komine), S1 70-210/3.5 (Kiron)
Yashica: ML 28/2.8, 50/2
Yashinon: 50/1.4
German: Meyer Gorlitz Oreston 50/1.8, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Isco Gottingen 135/3.5, Schneider-Kreuzach 200/5.5
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CuriousOne
Joined: 31 Dec 2013 Posts: 669 Location: Home
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:50 am Post subject: |
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CuriousOne wrote:
A question from other side of the counter
I have 4 helios lenses, and I want to sell them as one batch, since international delivery is evil. How do you think, how much this lot is worth?
The lens are as follows:
M39 Helios 44, silver, minimal scratches on body, glass intact, some oil on aperture blades, 8 blades. No coating. Made in 60s
M42 Helios 44M, black, EXC+ condition on body, glass perfect, no oil on aperture blades, 8 blades total, lens coated (purple), made in 1982.
M42 Helios 44M-6, black, never used, excellent condition body and glass, no oil on blades, 6 blades total, lens coated (purple), made in 1991.
Pentax K mount MC Helios 44K-4, never used, excellent condition body and glass, no oil on blades, 6 blades total, has multicoating (MC), made in 1997. _________________ I have nothing to compensate with lens |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
If it helps, I've listed the dates, prices, and condition of my Helios lenses. I can't seem to find the 44-2 record. Prices are without shipping.
44-2 Very Good
4/2010 44M-7 $31.96 Excellent
8/2010 44-3 $14.49 Excellent
9/2011 44 $28.94 (8-blade) Fair
5/2014 44 $32.79 (13 blade) Good _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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