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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:50 pm Post subject: Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 5.6/250 from Agiflite aerial camera |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I picked this beast up for an incredibly cheap price - it's brand new, never been used, in fixed focus mount for an Agiflite aerial camera.
If this is the same optics as the Hasselblad and Linhof versions then it's designed to deliver critical sharpness and highest order corrections wide open.
I shall adapt it for use on my Sony a850 by fitting a tripod ring and attaching a set of bellows to the back.
Anyone got any experience of this lens?
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Zeiss performance data and MTF curves for this thing are rather mouth-watering.
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dan_
Joined: 05 Dec 2012 Posts: 1053 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
It looks superb!!!
I have the Taylor Hobson 12" f/4 lens for the Agiflite cameras and is one of the sharpest lens I've ever seen in this focal length. Its only draw beck (except for the weight and bulk) is the magenta cast when used wide opened. At around f/8 the cast is gone.
My lens came with a huge yellow filter, just like yours, and I think that there is a reason why they added this heavy filters. Probably the Agiflite cameras were meant for B&W film only.
I'm very curious how your lens handles the CA wide opened.
My TTH 12" covers well 4X5" . Have you tried yous on the GG of a large format camera?
I've remounted my lens in a big bellows unit with a Pentax 645 mount to use it on film but, frankly, I never took it out for a photo session. It's just too big for me to be comfortable with it. I've only made some tests on the window with Pentax 645 and Sony NEX. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16541 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I'm not so sure this is really the data of the lens you have. Just 5.6/250mm should not be enough, your's is a special one, not the Hasselblad version. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Hi Dan
The Agiflite originally used TT&H lenses - there were f2/4inch and f4/12inch, maybe others. The 4 incher is supposed to be very good on 6x9.
Once TT&H stopped production sometime in the 70s, they switched to using Zeiss lenses.
I haven't tried mine on anything yet, there is a version in shutter for the Linhof 4x5 technical camera, so this one I have, might be the same as that.
The Agiflite cameras shot 70mm, whether they were intended for BW only or not I don't know,I suspect that this Zeiss lens I have is the same as the regular production 5.6/250 Sonnars so should be fine for colour. I'm not sure how the CA will be, probably very well corrected, although there is a Superachromat version of this lens so maybe CA wasn't the best point of the version I have? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
I'm not so sure this is really the data of the lens you have. Just 5.6/250mm should not be enough, your's is a special one, not the Hasselblad version. |
Aah, okay, thanks Klaus.
From your Zeiss production databooks are you able to tell what version I have from the serial number?
The serial number is 6392651.
This data from http://motamedi.info/serial.htm says that my lens was made sometime between 1971 and 1975:
Carl Zeiss (Opton), Oberkochen, West Germany.
10,000-500,000 1946-1951
500,000-1,100,000 1951-1953
1,100,000-2,600,000 1953-1959
2,600,000-3,000,000 1959-1961
3,000,000-4,000,000 1961-1965
4,000,000-5,000,000 1965-1969
5,000,000-6,000,000 1969-1971
6,000,000-7.300,000 1971-1975 _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Congrats!! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16541 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Looked it up: computed 8.9.1952 and made in a batch of 40 lenses. But actually the Habla C version
is based on the same computation, so they seem to be optically identical indeed. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thankyou Klaus.
I have been looking on the net for info and the Sonnar 5.6/250 was sold for Hasselblad and Rollei MF cameras and for Linhof 4x5, no mention at all of the Linhof version being any different; one user states that it is possible to get 12mm of movement on a Linhof. 4x5 has an image diagonal of 153mm so this lens should have an image circle of 165mm. That sounds about right for a Sonnar design - the 4/135 Sonnar has an image circle of around 85mm - I converted one to use on my speed graphic for 6x9 and it doesn't cover at infinity.
I shall post samples as soon as I manage to mount the thing to my a850. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kds315*
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Nice catch Ian, should deliver nicely!! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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poilu
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
superb! will wait to see it at working _________________ T* |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers guys.
I only paid 29ukp for it, no-one else bid, which surprised me.
I'm a huge fan of how Sonnars render so if this one has the typical Sonnar character then I'm sure I will love it. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It rained all day today and was terribly dark and gray so I spent some time figuring out a temporary mount solution. In the end I used an empty tin that once contained minced beef, an M42-A mount adapter, some epoxy putty, a piece of sticky-backed black flock material and lots of black electrician's tape.
Even in the terrible light conditions, the lens performs very well, this was wide open, 1/200 sec, ISO 400, I had to turn up the brightness a tad in Photoshop, but otherwise, no PP.
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kds315*
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Looks very promising indeed Ian! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Nordentro
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
wow, great find! _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Lloydy
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
It rained all day today and was terribly dark and gray so I spent some time figuring out a temporary mount solution. In the end I used an empty tin that once contained minced beef, an M42-A mount adapter, some epoxy putty, a piece of sticky-backed black flock material and lots of black electrician's tape.
Even in the terrible light conditions, the lens performs very well, this was wide open, 1/200 sec, ISO 400, I had to turn up the brightness a tad in Photoshop, but otherwise, no PP.
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we need pictures Ian...... _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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wolfhansen
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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wolfhansen wrote:
+1 looks great _________________ Greets
Wolfgang |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers guys, I'll take a picture of my temporary mount solution tomorrow. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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CBokeh
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:17 am Post subject: |
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CBokeh wrote:
Very nice job, Ian. I wish I could buy a $29 "paperweight" that took such great shots...
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
It rained all day today and was terribly dark and gray so I spent some time figuring out a temporary mount solution. In the end I used an empty tin that once contained minced beef, an M42-A mount adapter, some epoxy putty, a piece of sticky-backed black flock material and lots of black electrician's tape.
Even in the terrible light conditions, the lens performs very well, this was wide open, 1/200 sec, ISO 400, I had to turn up the brightness a tad in Photoshop, but otherwise, no PP.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers. Sadly, 29ukp is not going to be the final cost because I'm going to have to pay t have it properly mounted in a helicoid; however, I feel it will be worth every penny.
We had sunshine today so I made a few more test shots. Focus is a bit tricky with my improvised mount, but the lens is superb, sharp as anything I have ever shot, contrast and colours and first rate, minimal CA, I love it.
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100% crop:
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100% crop:
#4 Into the sun, but no flare,no loss of contrast
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100% crop: one of the three or four shots out of about 25 that exhibit some CA
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#7 Into the sun again, still no flare or loss of contrast
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_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Billou
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Billou wrote:
Looks very good ! Congrats on your bargain. |
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kds315*
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Looks like a very capable lens, lets see what it does in "real photography"!! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, might have to wait until it is properly mounted in a helicoid before doing any 'real' work. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Lloydy
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
let me know the diameter Ian, I have a huge old Sun zoom here that could be cannibalized. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cool, I shall measure it tomorrow. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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