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Langstrum
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject: Does Helios 44M1 ever exist? |
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Langstrum wrote:
I'm sure that some of you here knew about this lens through a member of our forum (convert1), and I found out that he is the only one showing this lens in the Internet, so far. I tried to find everywhere: online shops, Russian dealers, Russian photographers, etc. but none of them ever seen this lens in real life.
I started to be suspicious about this lens. The look of this lens is totally like the Helios 44M, with the additional number 1 next to the M and the two blades diaphragm (still I can't imagine how 2 blades can work for a diaphragm)
The number is not that difficult to add.
Recently we have a two-blade Carenar 50/2.8 appeared in our forum and I'm pretty sure it has a custom made diaphragm, so it's also possible with 44M.
If I know this lens is super rare, I can chase after it for a very long time, but if it's not existed, then I may give up or just ask my Russian friend to build a custom one for me.
Any other one here seen it or had it? _________________
Camera: Sony A7 mark III, A6300
AF Lenses:
Canon EF 50/1.8; EF 200/2.8 L, EF 200/1.8 L, EF 300/4 L Sony E mount SEL 50/1.8 OSS, SEL 16/2.8 Fuji X mount XF 35/1.4 R
MF Lenses: Peleng MC 8/3.5, 17/2.8 Samyang 14/T3.1, 35/T1.5, TS 24/3.5 ED, 85/T1.5, Polar 85/1.4 Auto Revuenon 28/2.8; MC 50/1.4 Vega11U 50/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 (exakta mount) Auto Chinon 50/1.9 Zenitar ME1 50/1.7 Sears Auto Sears 55/1.4; Sears 135/2.8 Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4; Tomioka 50/1.2 SMC Pentax 50/1.7; 50/1.4 Canon FD 50/1.4 S.S.C; 55/1.2 S.S.C; FD 50/1.2 L; FD 85/1.2 L; 85/1.2 S.S.C Aspherical; FD 80-200/4 L 300/2.8 S.S.C Fluorite FD 300/2.8 L FD 200/1.8 LCosina-S 50/1.2 Helios Helios 44 Chrome f/22, 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 (58/2), Helios-40 85/1.5 Jupiter Jupiter-9 85/2; Jupiter-37A 135/3.5; Jupiter-21M 200/4 Nikon Ai 105/2.5 Tairs-3S 300/4.5
Voigtlander 15/4.5 Aspherical; Ultron 35/1.7
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dimitrygo
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 561
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Does Helios 44M1 ever exist? |
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dimitrygo wrote:
Langstrum wrote: |
I'm sure that some of you here knew about this lens through a member of our forum (convert1), and I found out that he is the only one showing this lens in the Internet, so far. I tried to find everywhere: online shops, Russian dealers, Russian photographers, etc. but none of them ever seen this lens in real life.
I started to be suspicious about this lens. The look of this lens is totally like the Helios 44M, with the additional number 1 next to the M and the two blades diaphragm (still I can't imagine how 2 blades can work for a diaphragm)
The number is not that difficult to add.
Recently we have a two-blade Carenar 50/2.8 appeared in our forum and I'm pretty sure it has a custom made diaphragm, so it's also possible with 44M.
If I know this lens is super rare, I can chase after it for a very long time, but if it's not existed, then I may give up or just ask my Russian friend to build a custom one for me.
Any other one here seen it or had it? |
Even the well known and pretty usual Helios 44M is not listed on official Zenith (KMZ) site. If you need this lens for the collection then good luck in hunting for it. If you want a lens (any lens) with 2 blade diaphragm then you can buy Zenitar-M1. If this lens is the same optically as Zenitar-M then it is very good but pricey. |
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Langstrum
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 351
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Does Helios 44M1 ever exist? |
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Langstrum wrote:
dimitrygo wrote: |
Langstrum wrote: |
I'm sure that some of you here knew about this lens through a member of our forum (convert1), and I found out that he is the only one showing this lens in the Internet, so far. I tried to find everywhere: online shops, Russian dealers, Russian photographers, etc. but none of them ever seen this lens in real life.
I started to be suspicious about this lens. The look of this lens is totally like the Helios 44M, with the additional number 1 next to the M and the two blades diaphragm (still I can't imagine how 2 blades can work for a diaphragm)
The number is not that difficult to add.
Recently we have a two-blade Carenar 50/2.8 appeared in our forum and I'm pretty sure it has a custom made diaphragm, so it's also possible with 44M.
If I know this lens is super rare, I can chase after it for a very long time, but if it's not existed, then I may give up or just ask my Russian friend to build a custom one for me.
Any other one here seen it or had it? |
Even the well known and pretty usual Helios 44M is not listed on official Zenith (KMZ) site. If you need this lens for the collection then good luck in hunting for it. If you want a lens (any lens) with 2 blade diaphragm then you can buy Zenitar-M1. If this lens is the same optically as Zenitar-M then it is very good but pricey. |
Did you mean Zenitar ME1 with 4 blades? Yes I have one, it's pricey but the quality is top notch, maybe the best 50mm I've had.
But the Helios 44M1, as mentioned by convert1, has only 2 blades, and it have a kind of cat-eye or diamond shape, not square like ME1. _________________
Camera: Sony A7 mark III, A6300
AF Lenses:
Canon EF 50/1.8; EF 200/2.8 L, EF 200/1.8 L, EF 300/4 L Sony E mount SEL 50/1.8 OSS, SEL 16/2.8 Fuji X mount XF 35/1.4 R
MF Lenses: Peleng MC 8/3.5, 17/2.8 Samyang 14/T3.1, 35/T1.5, TS 24/3.5 ED, 85/T1.5, Polar 85/1.4 Auto Revuenon 28/2.8; MC 50/1.4 Vega11U 50/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 (exakta mount) Auto Chinon 50/1.9 Zenitar ME1 50/1.7 Sears Auto Sears 55/1.4; Sears 135/2.8 Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4; Tomioka 50/1.2 SMC Pentax 50/1.7; 50/1.4 Canon FD 50/1.4 S.S.C; 55/1.2 S.S.C; FD 50/1.2 L; FD 85/1.2 L; 85/1.2 S.S.C Aspherical; FD 80-200/4 L 300/2.8 S.S.C Fluorite FD 300/2.8 L FD 200/1.8 LCosina-S 50/1.2 Helios Helios 44 Chrome f/22, 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 (58/2), Helios-40 85/1.5 Jupiter Jupiter-9 85/2; Jupiter-37A 135/3.5; Jupiter-21M 200/4 Nikon Ai 105/2.5 Tairs-3S 300/4.5
Voigtlander 15/4.5 Aspherical; Ultron 35/1.7
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dimitrygo
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 561
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Does Helios 44M1 ever exist? |
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dimitrygo wrote:
Langstrum wrote: |
dimitrygo wrote: |
Langstrum wrote: |
I'm sure that some of you here knew about this lens through a member of our forum (convert1), and I found out that he is the only one showing this lens in the Internet, so far. I tried to find everywhere: online shops, Russian dealers, Russian photographers, etc. but none of them ever seen this lens in real life.
I started to be suspicious about this lens. The look of this lens is totally like the Helios 44M, with the additional number 1 next to the M and the two blades diaphragm (still I can't imagine how 2 blades can work for a diaphragm)
The number is not that difficult to add.
Recently we have a two-blade Carenar 50/2.8 appeared in our forum and I'm pretty sure it has a custom made diaphragm, so it's also possible with 44M.
If I know this lens is super rare, I can chase after it for a very long time, but if it's not existed, then I may give up or just ask my Russian friend to build a custom one for me.
Any other one here seen it or had it? |
Even the well known and pretty usual Helios 44M is not listed on official Zenith (KMZ) site. If you need this lens for the collection then good luck in hunting for it. If you want a lens (any lens) with 2 blade diaphragm then you can buy Zenitar-M1. If this lens is the same optically as Zenitar-M then it is very good but pricey. |
Did you mean Zenitar ME1 with 4 blades? Yes I have one, it's pricey but the quality is top notch, maybe the best 50mm I've had.
But the Helios 44M1, as mentioned by convert1, has only 2 blades, and it have a kind of cat-eye or diamond shape, not square like ME1. |
Yes, sorry, it is ME1. But according to the Zenith (KMZ) site it has 2 blades diaphragm, only lenses from some experimental batch have 4 blades and if you have such a lens you are very lucky. |
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Langstrum
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 351
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Langstrum wrote:
Oh, my bad, I left it to my girlfriend several months ago that I totally forgot that it has 2 blades instead of 4
Maybe because recently I was into the Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 75/4.5, which has 4 blades but it produces the similar bokeh as Zenitar ME1.
Thank you very much for the information, I don't know that fact before
Maybe the Helios 44M1 is just slightly different in the shape and angle of the two blades.
Because of verifying the information of Zenitar ME1, I found the diaphragm design of this lens, very interesting
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Camera: Sony A7 mark III, A6300
AF Lenses:
Canon EF 50/1.8; EF 200/2.8 L, EF 200/1.8 L, EF 300/4 L Sony E mount SEL 50/1.8 OSS, SEL 16/2.8 Fuji X mount XF 35/1.4 R
MF Lenses: Peleng MC 8/3.5, 17/2.8 Samyang 14/T3.1, 35/T1.5, TS 24/3.5 ED, 85/T1.5, Polar 85/1.4 Auto Revuenon 28/2.8; MC 50/1.4 Vega11U 50/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 (exakta mount) Auto Chinon 50/1.9 Zenitar ME1 50/1.7 Sears Auto Sears 55/1.4; Sears 135/2.8 Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4; Tomioka 50/1.2 SMC Pentax 50/1.7; 50/1.4 Canon FD 50/1.4 S.S.C; 55/1.2 S.S.C; FD 50/1.2 L; FD 85/1.2 L; 85/1.2 S.S.C Aspherical; FD 80-200/4 L 300/2.8 S.S.C Fluorite FD 300/2.8 L FD 200/1.8 LCosina-S 50/1.2 Helios Helios 44 Chrome f/22, 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 (58/2), Helios-40 85/1.5 Jupiter Jupiter-9 85/2; Jupiter-37A 135/3.5; Jupiter-21M 200/4 Nikon Ai 105/2.5 Tairs-3S 300/4.5
Voigtlander 15/4.5 Aspherical; Ultron 35/1.7
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Langstrum
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 351
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Langstrum wrote:
Finally I found a piece of information for this lens: It was produced for a prototype of Zenit-7 (Helios 44-1), and substituted by Helios 44-7
Maybe more than one thousand copies of this lens was made.
Link: http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1188557885 _________________
Camera: Sony A7 mark III, A6300
AF Lenses:
Canon EF 50/1.8; EF 200/2.8 L, EF 200/1.8 L, EF 300/4 L Sony E mount SEL 50/1.8 OSS, SEL 16/2.8 Fuji X mount XF 35/1.4 R
MF Lenses: Peleng MC 8/3.5, 17/2.8 Samyang 14/T3.1, 35/T1.5, TS 24/3.5 ED, 85/T1.5, Polar 85/1.4 Auto Revuenon 28/2.8; MC 50/1.4 Vega11U 50/2.8 Carl Zeiss Tessar 50/2.8 (exakta mount) Auto Chinon 50/1.9 Zenitar ME1 50/1.7 Sears Auto Sears 55/1.4; Sears 135/2.8 Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4; Tomioka 50/1.2 SMC Pentax 50/1.7; 50/1.4 Canon FD 50/1.4 S.S.C; 55/1.2 S.S.C; FD 50/1.2 L; FD 85/1.2 L; 85/1.2 S.S.C Aspherical; FD 80-200/4 L 300/2.8 S.S.C Fluorite FD 300/2.8 L FD 200/1.8 LCosina-S 50/1.2 Helios Helios 44 Chrome f/22, 44-2, 44-3, 44M-4, 44M-7 (58/2), Helios-40 85/1.5 Jupiter Jupiter-9 85/2; Jupiter-37A 135/3.5; Jupiter-21M 200/4 Nikon Ai 105/2.5 Tairs-3S 300/4.5
Voigtlander 15/4.5 Aspherical; Ultron 35/1.7
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 1998 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
Be carefull, this lens is 44-1, not 44M-1. The one with square diaphragm is 44M1.
The 44M1 was produced only in 1979 (supposed). This is the only info I found about it. I also doubt about this lens. _________________ Pierre
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