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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:14 pm    Post subject: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
My speculation has come true. Wink

Quote:
Focal length:
105mm
Aperture:
f2.7-f22
Mounts:
Fuji G , Hasselblad X1D, Canon, Fuji X, Leica M, Nikon, Sony E
Angle of view:
12,5°, (22° medium format)
Minimum focusing distance:
1,1m
Filter diameter:
52mm
Optical design:
6 Elemente in 5 Baugruppen
Aperture blades:
52mm, 15, steel, special anti reflex coating
Weight:
~ 350g
Rangefinder Coupling:
not supported


https://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.com/en-us/apo-makro-plasmat-105-f2.7

Last edited by calvin83 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:41 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just a mere $2.999 - go milk the (asian) market new Meyer company!! Yeah....


PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
My speculation has come true. Wink

BTW, 1.1m MFD for a 100 macro?!
https://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.com/en-us/apo-makro-plasmat-105-f2.7

Not a macro
Quote:
The Plasmat lenses, especially the Makro Plasmat (Makro meaning for 35mm film), are probably the most famous lens of the Meyer portfolio.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks. I accept that 'Makro' don't means 'Macro' but 'small format'.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
But still, 1.1m MFD for a 105mm SLR lens is still not impressive, My Topcor R 135/3.5 from 1960 can do that.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
Thanks. I accept that 'Makro' don't means 'Macro' but 'small format'.


No, Makro never means small format at least not in my German language and Apo does not
mean apostolic either Wink


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
My speculation has come true. Wink

BTW, 1.1m MFD for a 100 macro?!
https://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.com/en-us/apo-makro-plasmat-105-f2.7

Not a macro


In Germany it is likely a true macro lens Smile
This may be different in the consumer photo community, but the for optical technology crucial German standards have even a standard with the macro definition, DIN 19040 defines anything between 10:1 to 1:10 as macro. With not much more data about the lens, it seems like it is still inside this range. Not sure which standard is the more current one.

Not sure if there are other standards that define macro. But I would say a standard is more worth than feelings what macro should be Smile


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
ZoneV wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
My speculation has come true. Wink

BTW, 1.1m MFD for a 100 macro?!
https://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.com/en-us/apo-makro-plasmat-105-f2.7

Not a macro


In Germany it is likely a true macro lens Smile
This may be different in the consumer photo community, but the for optical technology crucial German standards have even a standard with the macro definition, DIN 19040 defines anything between 10:1 to 1:10 as macro. With not much more data about the lens, it seems like it is still inside this range. Not sure which standard is the more current one.

Not sure if there are other standards that define macro. But I would say a standard is more worth than feelings what macro should be Smile


Macro is 1:1 to 10:1, close-up 1:10 to 1:1 as per DIN 19040


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
ZoneV wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
My speculation has come true. Wink

BTW, 1.1m MFD for a 100 macro?!
https://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.com/en-us/apo-makro-plasmat-105-f2.7

Not a macro


In Germany it is likely a true macro lens Smile
This may be different in the consumer photo community, but the for optical technology crucial German standards have even a standard with the macro definition, DIN 19040 defines anything between 10:1 to 1:10 as macro. With not much more data about the lens, it seems like it is still inside this range. Not sure which standard is the more current one.

Not sure if there are other standards that define macro. But I would say a standard is more worth than feelings what macro should be Smile


Macro is 1:1 to 10:1, close-up 1:10 to 1:1 as per DIN 19040


Fortunately we don't have any "ÖNORM" for that in Austria. Wink


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Many "macro"lenses, of the film era anyway, were limited to 1:4.

Even the legendary Olympus 50mm did only 1:2 and was optimised for 1:10.

http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/macro-lens-50-35.html


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Thanks. I accept that 'Makro' don't means 'Macro' but 'small format'.


No, Makro never means small format at least not in my German language and Apo does not
mean apostolic either Wink

Thank you!


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
But still, 1.1m MFD for a 105mm SLR lens is still not impressive, My Topcor R 135/3.5 from 1960 can do that.

To keep it as the same the the trioplan?


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
But still, 1.1m MFD for a 105mm SLR lens is still not impressive, My Topcor R 135/3.5 from 1960 can do that.


The Kiron (aka Lester Dine) 105mm does 1:1 at 0.35 m on full frame.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
e6filmuser wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
But still, 1.1m MFD for a 105mm SLR lens is still not impressive, My Topcor R 135/3.5 from 1960 can do that.


The Kiron (aka Lester Dine) 105mm does 1:1 at 0.35 m on full frame.

Thank you for posting a macro lens that does 1:1
For a non macro, 1.1m is still not impressive, have you ever tried taking a picture of a friend on the other side of a restaurant/diner and not have enough room? It's annoying as hell.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
have you ever tried taking a picture of a friend on the other side of a restaurant/diner and not have enough room? It's annoying as hell.


My friends tend to tolerate being close to me. Very Happy


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the chuckles Smile


PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
e6filmuser wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
have you ever tried taking a picture of a friend on the other side of a restaurant/diner and not have enough room? It's annoying as hell.


My friends tend to tolerate being close to me. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:

Macro is 1:1 to 10:1, close-up 1:10 to 1:1 as per DIN 19040


Oh, I have planned to look in the DIN standard soon, and trusted the Wikipedia page - but likely I misinterpreted the "beziehungsweise" there. Thank you for clarification!


PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: APO-Makro-Plasmat 105/2.7 Reply with quote
ZoneV wrote:
kds315* wrote:

Macro is 1:1 to 10:1, close-up 1:10 to 1:1 as per DIN 19040


Oh, I have planned to look in the DIN standard soon, and trusted the Wikipedia page - but likely I misinterpreted the "beziehungsweise" there. Thank you for clarification!


This gets discussed from time to time in various macro forums.

A macro lens giving 1:1 on 35mm transparency film has some meaning. With a blown up print from a negative, or a (possibly cropped) image at the preferred size of a given website, the terms are of little use. I do a lot of macro (mostly >1:1) and state the width of the filed of view in mm. I use some large format (whatever that means!) lenses on m4/3!

What is of more importance for macro/closeup, is when/what exposure compensation for magnification is needed.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
e6filmuser wrote:
Many "macro"lenses, of the film era anyway, were limited to 1:4.

Even the legendary Olympus 50mm did only 1:2 and was optimised for 1:10.

http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/macro-lens-50-35.html

There are many lenses with 'Macro' written on the ID ring, they are nothing more than a close focus lens, and at best wishful thinking, at worst, a lie or fraud, most 1:2 lenses at least came with a lifesize adapter to get to 1:1.
I can't think of any zooms that did 1:2 natively never mind 1:1.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:

I can't think of any zooms that did 1:2 natively never mind 1:1.


http://www.adaptall-2.com/lenses/52A.html


PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
e6filmuser wrote:
Many "macro"lenses, of the film era anyway, were limited to 1:4.

Even the legendary Olympus 50mm did only 1:2 and was optimised for 1:10.

http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/macro-lens-50-35.html

There are many lenses with 'Macro' written on the ID ring, they are nothing more than a close focus lens, and at best wishful thinking, at worst, a lie or fraud, most 1:2 lenses at least came with a lifesize adapter to get to 1:1.
I can't think of any zooms that did 1:2 natively never mind 1:1.

Contax Sonnar 70-210/3.5
Vivitar Series 1 70-210/3.5 v1
Konica UC 80-20/4
and the Tamron above


PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks.
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