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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:27 pm Post subject: SCHNEIDER (APO) MACRO VARON f4.5 85mm CAS takes a walk |
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kds315* wrote:
Now this is a very different beast, made to beat even the most modern sensors,
it is a pure Schneider understatement, that they would not even include "APO"
it its name and oh yeah, it certainly is. Further it has a unique feature, adjustable
aberration control CAS, adjustable for the whole covered range this lens is designed
for, the largest on the market: 0.5 ... 2x. And I took the freedom to use it on a
walk and from infinity to close up I tried it out....
And please DO NOT LOOK UP ITS LIST PRICE, I don't want to be held accountable
for having caused heart attacks or such... it is a mere $4500, but I was lucky
Lens data: https://www.schneideroptics.com/pdfs/industrial/MacroVaron%20Brochure.pdf
All shot at f4.5 with CAS setting to lowest magnification:
Full set is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157694462023690 _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
So this is the best of the best?
Very nice samples! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10462 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:15 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Wow! I wouldn't trade it for the 100/2 Takumar.
_________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:41 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
So this is the best of the best?
Very nice samples! |
One of the best when it comes to special macro lenses (like Printing Nikkors etc.)
and THE best considering its wide magnification range of 0.5 ... 2x _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
That's impressive. It would probably do well at digitizing film, that's always the first thing I think of |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
That's impressive. It would probably do well at digitizing film, that's always the first thing I think of |
A 75mm Apo Rodagon would certainly do well enough for that, costing only a fraction _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Amazing shots,amazing handler,amazing price. _________________ Do not trust Atoms....they make up everything. |
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Paulius
Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Posts: 321 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Paulius wrote:
I'm using Schneider Componon 100 f5,6 enlarging lens. Also I have Rodagon 135 f5,6, Componon 150 f5,6 and Apo-Gerogon 210 f9.
This vintage German glass is amazing on full frame! |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:51 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
The close-up shots look stunning, but in terms of colour, sharpness & bokeh..
The 1st one looks really sharp in the centre, but I cannot make up my mind if I like the bokeh that's going on in the foreground. It's unique, that's for sure. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:58 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Thanks guys!
martinsmith99 wrote: |
The close-up shots look stunning, but in terms of colour, sharpness & bokeh..
The 1st one looks really sharp in the centre, but I cannot make up my mind if I like the bokeh that's going on in the foreground. It's unique, that's for sure. |
Well, it was never intended to be used, how I used it. Just wanted to see how it would behave then, and actually I'm positively surprised. Of course it cannot be compared to lenses which were made for infinity use.... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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e6filmuser
Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 488 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
[quote="kds315*"]
blotafton wrote: |
So this is the best of the best?
One of the best when it comes to special macro lenses (like Printing Nikkors etc.)
and THE best considering its wide magnification range of 0.5 ... 2x |
Apart from being usable at infinity, why do you rate it above the Printing-Nikkor 150mm?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55509772
http://www.savazzi.net/download/manuals/Printing-Nikkor.pdf _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
[quote="e6filmuser"]
Re-read what I wrote please: "...and THE best considering its wide magnification range of 0.5 ... 2x"
I find it the best if used within THAT WIDE RANGE it has, in a much narrower range, like at 1:1 the
PRINTING NIKKORS ARE EVEN BETTER of course. I was also referring to the coinimaging site, one
can clearly see that there....
So in layman terms: the Macro Varon is an ALLROUNDER lens, the Printing Nikkors SPECIALIST lenses
[for macro photography in their defined magnification range(s)] _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10462 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
[quote="kds315*"]
e6filmuser wrote: |
Re-read what I wrote please: "...and THE best considering its wide magnification range of 0.5 ... 2x"
I find it the best if used within THAT WIDE RANGE it has, in a much narrower range, like at 1:1 the
PRINTING NIKKORS ARE EVEN BETTER of course. I was also referring to the coinimaging site, one
can clearly see that there....
So in layman terms: the Macro Varon is an ALLROUNDER lens, the Printing Nikkors SPECIALIST lenses
[for macro photography in their defined magnification range(s)] |
Thanks for explaining! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Ray Parkhurst
Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 497 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
Well, the 85MV is indeed better than the 150mm Printing-Nikkor, even the one with variable mag control! The specialty of the 85MV is its wide coverage. From the coinimaging.com site:
On APS-C Sensor
150mm Printing-Nikkor f2.8A
mag=0.5, sharpness = 1700 center, 900 corner
mag=1, sharpness = 1600 center, 1280 corner
85mm Macro-Varon f4.5
mag=0.5, sharpness = 1600 center, 1520 corner
mag=1, sharpness = 1400 center, 1340 corner
So while the 150mm Printing-Nikkor wins marginally in the center (1700 vs 1600 at m=0.5, and 1600 vs 1400 at m=1 in the center), the 85mm Macro-Varon wins handily in the corner of APS-C at m=0.5 (1520 vs 900) and marginally at m=1 (1340 vs 1280). The only lenses which win against the 85MV are the 105PN at 1:1, and the 95PN at 0.5:1. The 85MV and 95PN are about equal at m=2, but likely other lenses will beat both at this magnification. _________________ ...See my Numismatic Photography website at: http://www.macrocoins.com
...Primary Studio Cameras: Sony A7Rm4 and Canon HRT2i
...Go-To studio lenses: Nikon 95mm and 105mm Printing-Nikkors; Schneider 85mm Macro-Varon; Nikon 5x, 10x, and 20x Measuring Microscope Objectives; Mitutoyo BD Plan Apo 50x Microscope Objective
...My Go-To Walkaround Lenses: Laowa 60mm Super Macro; Nikon 28-105D (in manual mode for macro); |
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