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Rick1779
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:36 pm Post subject: Planar or Summicron? |
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Rick1779 wrote:
Contax Zeiss Planar 50/1.4 or Summicron 50/2 1st version?
Which one do you choose for full frame and why?
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Are you thinking of rangefinder or reflex Summicron? I guess the reflex version, but even so chosing one over the other is dependent more on your photography than on the lenses themselves. If you're doing low light pictures or are a differential focusing fan, then it makes sense to go for the wider aperture. For close work in good light, then the Summicron R would be the more appropriate choice. The early 1950s first version rangefinder Summicron has its virtues, but can only be used on mirrorless cameras and its closest focus is 1 metre, so it more or less disqualifies itself here !
I hope this isn't going to become one of those 'Leitz vs Zeiss' competitions . . . if my interests included both the sorts I mention, then I'd get both lenses if I could afford them. Neither will disappoint, both will please, but in different ways. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
I'm referring to Leica R summicron and I dont' want to start a war
I'm just willing to know some different opinions _________________ TELLTALE
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
Good question.
In serious doubt, take two.
I'm not kidding.
Saw the other day some pics from another forum member from Germany - doesn't remember who anymore - a copy of Contax 1.4 Planar which can drive you crazy!
But, last week I bought a Summicron 2/50 absolutely MINT which had performed incredibly well - as expected.
Conclusion: more contrast and "screaming" colors = Planar
A bit less contrast and a Aristocratic bokek, with incredibly well balanced color palette = Summicron (which have the very wellcome behaviour too of not clip the shadows due to its less contrasty character.
Built impression (at hand) = Had a Planar in my hand sometime ago and seems to me that Leica Summicron is "au pair", but my impression it's a little bit heavier (maybe more metal?),
Cheers,
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
I had a summicron-R 50/2, but was stolen this summer along with the nex5n
I've recently found a Planar 50 1.7 that isn't bad at all, but from 1.7 to at least 2.8 suffers from CA and softness, at f4 become really good.
I really love the "3D effect" of this lens and colors too, and I can argue that the 1.4 is a better version of the 1.7, maybe better at larger apertures.
On the other hand the summicron-R 50 is still the best 50 that I've tried so far
Since I've just bought the A7 I can't afford to take them both _________________ TELLTALE
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
I see, the prices of both are similar in these days.
If you can find a scratch, coating marks and fungus free Summicron - due to the fact that the coating of the Leica is not as near as hard compared with the HFT Planar coating, if I hadn't any of both lenses, I would probably buy the Summicron first (but my choice could also be tinted by the fact that I have a pair of Leica UV filters and retaining rings for Series VI filters, Elcam VIa and b close-up lenses, 2 lens shades, etc...).
But with any of them you'll be very well served,
Cheers,
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
My friend go for a Zeiss Planar HFT 50/1.4 . _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
Summicron 2/50 sample (bad light, handheld),
Serrote, our dog by Renato__ Salles, on Flickr
_MG_5402DV2014 by Renato__ Salles, on Flickr
Renato |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Others to consider that are cheaper but top level:
Konica Hexanon 1.7/50 first version
Minolta MD 1.7/50 late versions with the improved coatings
Topcon RE Auto Topcor 1.8/58
KMZ Zenitar M2S 2/50 (plasticky but superb optics)
CZJ Pancolar MC 1.8/50
The MC Pancolar is really impressing me on my a850.
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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thebbm
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 295 Location: France montpellier
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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thebbm wrote:
Hello
a very fast test with contax planar 1.4 Vs summicron R 3 cams :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8uvrdon8fs979fz/cz_vs_leica_50mm.zip?dl=0 |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
My friend go for a Zeiss Planar HFT 50/1.4 . |
hft? the one in rollei mount? why? _________________ TELLTALE
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Others to consider that are cheaper but top level:
Konica Hexanon 1.7/50 first version
Minolta MD 1.7/50 late versions with the improved coatings
Topcon RE Auto Topcor 1.8/58
KMZ Zenitar M2S 2/50 (plasticky but superb optics)
CZJ Pancolar MC 1.8/50
The MC Pancolar is really impressing me on my a850.
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I have a minolta 50 1.7 but its performance wide open are not comparable with the summicron R and what I'm looking for is a lens that is at top even wide open
I've seen your Zenitar M2S shot and that lens is on my buy list _________________ TELLTALE
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
thanks _________________ TELLTALE
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
About Rollei ,many people say that the Rollei Planar HfT 50 1.8 also sold under Voigtländer Ultron is the best Planar of those times , better than the C/Y. Difficult to judge such statements. This lens is not difficult to find. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16552 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, let me say something "undiplomatic": get any of the lenses, as it does not depend of them
- it does depend on YOU and your skills in using them. Both lenses are far better then any average
user will ever be able to get out of it. So get any one, don't look back and show what you are able to do
with it. 99% it is never the lens that fails... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
memetph wrote: |
About Rollei ,many people say that the Rollei Planar HfT 50 1.8 also sold under Voigtländer Ultron is the best Planar of those times , better than the C/Y. Difficult to judge such statements. This lens is not difficult to find. |
I have just CLA'ed one of this lens this weekend. For what I can see in few test shots, is a very sharp lens with beautiful colors. Have to test more deeply for a better opinion,
Renato |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Well, let me say something "undiplomatic": get any of the lenses, as it does not depend of them
- it does depend on YOU and your skills in using them. Both lenses are far better then any average
user will ever be able to get out of it. So get any one, don't look back and show what you are able to do
with it. 99% it is never the lens that fails... |
true, but as many of us we're here also beacuse we love to have and try differente lenses isn't it? _________________ TELLTALE
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16552 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Rick1779 wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
Well, let me say something "undiplomatic": get any of the lenses, as it does not depend of them
- it does depend on YOU and your skills in using them. Both lenses are far better then any average
user will ever be able to get out of it. So get any one, don't look back and show what you are able to do
with it. 99% it is never the lens that fails... |
true, but as many of us we're here also beacuse we love to have and try differente lenses isn't it? |
Yes, and it is the wrong route. The skills are not in the lens, but in the photographer, despite what all the industry tries to tell us.
But it is so much easier to blame the lens, right?
You're from Italy, so allow this example: give a Lamborghini or Ferrari to any average driver and see what they will do with it.
Do you expect excellent driving results? Of course not, they rather wreck these wonderful cars. But with lenses everybody thinks
they can - funny, isn't it? Just the danger and damage is quite less
But I should be quiet, this is not what people like to hear... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7787 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I agree Klaus, learning to enjoy the finer things in life isn't done overnight. I like expensive single malt whisky, it's taken a long time to fully appreciate it. I'm still practising with wine and lenses. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Well, let me say something "undiplomatic": get any of the lenses, as it does not depend of them
- it does depend on YOU and your skills in using them. Both lenses are far better then any average
user will ever be able to get out of it. So get any one, don't look back and show what you are able to do
with it. 99% it is never the lens that fails... |
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I had both lens I think, and Summicron 1.4 too. I kept Planar , Planar did over perform well f2.0 Leica, 1.4 Leica cost was 1000 USD for same or may little better performance than Planar which is 300 USD max , my Planar was 30 USD due fungus ... _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I chose my lenses based on character more than anything else. My favourite 50's are the Sonnar 1.5/50, Sonnar 2/50, Biotar 2/58, Xenon 1.9/50, Topcor 1.8/58, Hexanon 1.4/57, Zenitar M2s 2/50, Pancolar 1.8/50, Primotar 3.5/50. Each of these has it's own unique character. If I had to pick a favourite it would be the Sonnar 2/50, it isn't the sharpest but it has the best character (to my eyes). _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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dan_
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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dan_ wrote:
Few years ago, when I faced the same choice, I've chosen the first version of the Summicron R. The way it renders the image was more on my taste than the other options. I liked it more then the newer (and sharper) versions of the Summicron R, too. As you have already had one, you know what I mean. I don't have the Planar but the Summicron does it's job so nicely well most of the time that I don't feel like needing another 50mm. I have (and play with) a lot of other 50 mm lenses but when I only need to take one with me it always is the Cron.
Probably the Planar owners feel the same about their lens.
Both lenses are very nice, none will disappoint you, chose the one that renders nicer to your eyes.
If I was in your situation, with a stolen Cron, I'd get the Planar for a change and sell it latter if I feel that the Cron rendering was better. |
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mo
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Don't confuse the two Lloydy,you'll break your teeth.
Using a lens is about the enjoyment it gives,the wonder of how it will treat the image,the challenge of capturing the image,mastering the camera and the lens to acheive the look you want....by intention not mistake... It takes time and effort, trial and error,I would try both lenses,if you have the funds for both go for it. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:55 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Rick1779 wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
My friend go for a Zeiss Planar HFT 50/1.4 . |
hft? the one in rollei mount? why? |
Yes. The HFT version is pretty similar to the Contax version with less saturated color.
kds315* wrote: |
Rick1779 wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
Well, let me say something "undiplomatic": get any of the lenses, as it does not depend of them
- it does depend on YOU and your skills in using them. Both lenses are far better then any average
user will ever be able to get out of it. So get any one, don't look back and show what you are able to do
with it. 99% it is never the lens that fails... |
true, but as many of us we're here also beacuse we love to have and try differente lenses isn't it? |
Yes, and it is the wrong route. The skills are not in the lens, but in the photographer, despite what all the industry tries to tell us.
But it is so much easier to blame the lens, right?
You're from Italy, so allow this example: give a Lamborghini or Ferrari to any average driver and see what they will do with it.
Do you expect excellent driving results? Of course not, they rather wreck these wonderful cars. But with lenses everybody thinks
they can - funny, isn't it? Just the danger and damage is quite less
But I should be quiet, this is not what people like to hear... |
Picking the right equipment at the right time is an important skill for a photographer. Lenses are pretty like my companions IMHO. They have different personalities. The right companion can help me to get the result I want. If the result is not good, it is the sole responsibility of the photographer. If the result is good, the honor goes to both the photographer and the lens. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There have been some lenses I've owned that weren't capable of producing an acceptable image (Viv S1 2.3/135, Komuranon 3.5/200 spring to mind) but those had faults and the vast majority of lenses I've owned were quite capable.
Besides, technical qualities are secondary to aesthetic. This image is soft as hell, taken with an old Sigma 28-70 zoom that will only work wide open on a digital eos. You could spend a while trying to find anything sharp in this vista, but I think it still works as an aesthetic piece:
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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