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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:17 am    Post subject: The DKL Lens thread Reply with quote

Hi folks

I've started collected DKL lenses, so far I have the S-K Xenar 2.8/50, Tele-Xenar 4/135, Tele-Arton 4/85 and Curtagon 2.8/35.

I've tried to list all of the lenses and cameras made with the DKL mount, I think there may be some Enna and Steinheil ones I've missed:

DKL Cameras and Lenses

    Kodak Retina Reflex
    Kodak Retina IIIS
    Kodak Instamatic Reflex
    Voigtlander Bessamatic
    Voigtlander Ultramatic
    Voigtlnder Vitessa T
    Iloca Electric / Graflex Graphic 35 Electric
    Braun Paxette Reflex
    Braun Super Colorette II / Wittnauer Continental/Professional
    Baldamatic III
    Edixa Electronic



Schneider-Kreuznach
    Curtagon 4.0/28
    Curtagon 2.8/35
    Radiogon 4/35
    Xenar 2.8/45
    Xenar 2.8/50
    Xenon 1.9/50
    Tele-Arton 4.0/85
    Tele-Arton 4.0/90
    Tele-Xenar 4.0/135
    Tele-Xenar 4.8/200
    Tele-Xenar 5.6/200


Voigtlnder
    Skoparex 3.4/35
    Skopagon 2.0/40
    Color-Lanthar 2,8/50
    Color-Skopar (X) 2.8/50
    Septon 2.0/50
    Dynarex 3,4/90
    Dynarex 4.8/100
    Super-Dynarex 4,0/135
    Super-Dynarex 4,0/200
    Super-Dynarex 5,6 350
    Zoomar 2,8/36-82


Rodenstock
    Eurygon 2.8/30
    Eurygon 4.0/35
    Ysarex 2.8/50
    Heligon 1.9/50
    Rotelar 4.0/85
    Rotelar 4.0/135


Steinheil
    Culmigon 4.5/35
    Cassarit 2.8/50
    Culminar 2.8/50
    Quinon 1.9/50


Enna
    Lithagon 3.5/35
    Tele-Ennalyt 3.5/135


Others
    Braun Ultralit 2.8/50
    Wittnauer Chronostar 2.8/50
    Vemar Bittco Super Vemar 4/135
    Vemar Telephoto 4.8/200


Last edited by iangreenhalgh1 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:01 am; edited 2 times in total


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian. You miss two prototypes from Zeiss.
http://collectiblend.com/Lenses/Zeiss,-Carl/50mm-f2-Planar-%28Voigtl%C3%A4nder-Bessamatic-Ultramatic,-prototype.html
http://collectiblend.com/Lenses/Zeiss,-Carl/50mm-f2.8-Tessar-%28voigtl%C3%A4nder-vitessa,-prototype,-compur%29.html

If we count the Vitessa, we will have few more lenses. The Wittnauer Chronostar 2.8/50 is Vitessa type lens.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting prototypes, however, if they were never put into production then no sense to include them.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea Ian, I've always been interested in dkl lenses, but gathering info is quite difficult as I always find little bits here and there.
IIRC there's also an f4.8 200mm SK tele xenar


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prototypes should also be included for the sake of completeness.

DKL lenses are very popular in Asian. You will find lots of discussion in forums with plenty of photos here.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked and there is a 4.8/200 so I've added it, cheers.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a fan of these lenses.

The construction quality is breathless, a true symphony of steel, brass, aluminium and glass of the finest quality.

I use them on EOS and NEX and get around the minimum focus issues with extension tubes


If you manage to collect them all you will be truly blessed. Wink


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if we can count them as DKL, but lenses for Zenit 4-5-6 have DKL mount, but with slight different focal flange (named Ц bayonet). Most of them are pretty rare, exepted the Rubin and Vega-3

Mir-1Ц 37mm/2.8
Vega-3 50mm/2.8
Helios-65Ц 52mm/2.8
Tair-38Ц 133mm/2.8
Rubin-1Ц 37-80mm/2.8
Jupiter-25Ц 85mm/2.8


PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't include the Russians due to strictly not being the same mount. It is very close, but as you say, slightly different register.


PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ian I have the Schneider Kreuznach Retina Xenon 50mm 1.9. You can pick it up relatively cheaply on a used body, there are two MFD`s as you probably know, mine is the 0.6m which is pretty decent for most 50mm shooting.

I can recommend the original Kodak Nahlinse or close up lenses for these, they are dedicated, perfect fits and every bit as good workmanship and quality as the lenses themselves.

The Schneider is very much a keeper, beautiful rendering. I managed to snag a Rodenstock Rotelar 85mm too very cheaply but the lug for aperture operation is broken off and I need a replacement.
Having opened an old damaged Schneider Balda Tele Xenar 135mm 4, they are precision pieces of brass etc, like old clockwork but sadly beyond my sausage fingers for repairing. I have the 135mm 4 Schneider in mint also and they`re fine lenses.


PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I checked and there is a 4.8/200 so I've added it, cheers.


I have it.. here is my little SK DKL collection:



PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips Macca.

Beautiful collection Jan!


PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some BW film samples using Ilford FP4 expired in 1988 and rated at 100. Developed in Fomadon LQR diluted 1:14 for 10mins at 21C.

First, here is the Curtagon 2.8/35, it's a very sharp lens from f4, didn't try it at f2.8, these are all at f4:





A couple with the Tele-Arton 4/85, both wide open. It's a very sharp lens, as sharp at f4 as the CZJ Sonnar 2/85 is stopped down to f4:




PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are all good lenses and cameras I had several of them under years.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These lenses are fantastic IMHO. Just a symphony of Brass, Chrome , and Glass. The thing is their are several variants and understanding what works where is challenging. I have a couple different type of adapters. They work with the Retina Schneiders. Also with the Voigtlander lenses from bessamatic and ultramatic. But not with the Rodenstock rotelars I have. I also have a braun from a super colorette that does not work on the adapters. They fit but don't lock in place. It seems the position of the locking slot is slightly different. Anyone have expereince with these things? Of course the Vitessa lenses won't work as they have the aperture control on the lens instead of the adapter.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aperture ring on the lens, Vitessa T adapter should fit.
Aperture ring on the camera, DKL adapter should fit.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Schneider 200/4 8 is one of the more beautiful lenses ever made.

I sold mine. I shall buy it again, sure.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
The Schneider 200/4 8 is one of the more beautiful lenses ever made.

I sold mine. I shall buy it again, sure.


There were (at least) two versions made for Kodak, the original silver-coloured version marked Retina and the later "silver & black" introduced for the Instamatic Reflex. I no longer have the early version, but the later version has a minimum focus distance of 33ft ... not ideal!