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alaios
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi
one more questions.
what about the 44-4? I think that was the lens my old Zenit 122 had. I was thinking it might be fun to use exactly the same lens.
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1782 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
yep pretty much. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:34 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi there again.
After searching a bit more I have also found this lens
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/domiron/interesting/
would you consider this one also as an artistic lens?
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Kabizm
Joined: 12 Mar 2014 Posts: 11 Location: Kent UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Kabizm wrote:
I have 2 Helios lenses the 44 (£20) and the 44-2(£12).
I am a bokeh addict and was blown away when i found out about these lenses.
A shot with the 44 on a Nikon D600 without infinity glass
44 without infinity glass
44-2 with infinity glass, shooting into the sun
44-2 not sure on Fstop.
44-2 @f/2 under exposed
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:31 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I would like one to find out how artistic it is but it is hard to come by, The helios would be the cheaper option. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
What is "infinity glass"? |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi I keep googling a bit
and I also found a big collection of images from this guy
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.534546843265511.1073742080.478790495507813&type=3
can someone comment if he is photshoping like crazy? From me all these lenses would fall in the artistic category.
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
I think he might be talking about the normal adaptors for Nikon that have the glass element in so you can achieve infinity focus, you can remove the glass as it degrades image quality in most cases a use the lens for macro work.
alaois, that's the domiron another members has mentioned on a different thread, from what read about it today it has interesting qualities and from those pictures I would have to agree!! no idea regarding how much work would be done on the images though. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
No he's not photoshopping like crazy. You can't photoshop that bokeh stuff, or at least it would be extremly hard. It needs a little post processing (for example in Lightroom) to get anything out of it and I would say most sample on flickr have some slight PP like slight contrast boost, slight color saturation boost etc.. The Meyer Domiron 50/2 has even more funky in bokeh as the Helios 44 but is generally much more expensive. I have one since a few weels and it makes a lot of fun to use (I do highly prefer it over the Helios 44).
Here's a Domiron sample from last weekend with Sony A7 (FF), altered colors and cropped
Other lenses with funky/artsy bokeh are Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8, Helios 40-2 85/1.5, Jupiter-3 50/1.5, Fujian 35/1.7 for example.
Kram wrote: |
What is "infinity glass"? |
An element that extends flange distance so that you can adapt lenses with shoter flange distance to you camera and still reach infinity when focusing. For example M42 to Nikon adapters or Minolta MD to Sony A etc.
Basically they are 1.1x-1.3x-Teleconverters, made from crappy singlets in most cases.
I've never seen a good one.
memetph wrote: |
I can speak only about my samples , a 44-2 and a 44 M6.
On A7 they are really poor in the corners ans borders ( sharpness).
They are subject to flare. The performance is bad with side light. Due to size of the sensor the problem is disturbing. I could not notice this problem with a smaller sensor ( G3) because it is cropped.
The last and the worst: many lenses have a gohsting issue with the A7. When stopped down, you can see a reflection of the aperture diaphragm on the image. It is certainly an interaction between the sensor and internal reflections in the lens when you face a source of light.
My 44m6 suffers strongly from this. I did not test the 44-2 in this situation.
Probably you will not have those problems with a NEX APS -C.
The 44 M6 is supposed to be sharper than the 44-2. In reallity , I would go for the last one because it is not that obvious in the center . |
+1
Many of my 50mm lenses became somewhat poorer on A7 at wide apertures, even some with very good reputation like Minolta MD 50/1.4. FF-sensors are somewhat more demanding than 1.5x crop and 2x crop, as they are not cropping the "sweet spot". I think Helios 44-2 looks best on 1.5x-1.6x crop like from NEX or most consumer DSLRs from Canon, Sony etc.
That's why I'm currently thinking about buying Sony A6000 as second body, for when I need larger DOF, for tele, or when I need to crop the sweet spot with some lenses.
Maybe the Helios 44-M7/M6 is better on A7. As said I noticed that my 44-M7 had much sharper corners already on 1.5x APS-C than the 44-2 while my 44-2 was slightly sharper in the center.
So for crop sensors I would recommend the 44-2, but for FF the M7 etc. might be the better choice _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi
I am also sharing with the community this link of the same facebook guy
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.534546843265511.1073742080.478790495507813&type=3
where lenses are sorted and more artistic lenses are there. I am not sure though about costs and availability.
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:14 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
ForenSeil,lucky you having a Domiron they were only produced for a short time. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
There is one on ebay and costs over 1000$
good luck |
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skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1826 Location: North East England
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:33 am Post subject: |
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skida wrote:
Lenses are instruments made of glass, metal and plastic: Photographers who can use their various characteristics to produce beautiful images are "artistic". _________________ Lots of 35mm Film Cameras
Lots of Lenses
New Vlog on Youtube called "The Olduns Shot"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBHCOHaIrcYr7s3is1EcqxQ |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
alaios wrote: |
There is one on ebay and costs over 1000$
good luck |
I have patience and will wait for one to fall in my price range,sure it may take a few years but I will find one. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 942 Location: Poland
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
memetph wrote: |
okay I can't help you . I have A7 and micro 4/3. My helios are poor lenses with the A7 and very good teles with the Panas. |
Last week I took my Panas with me for a trip to Costa Rica. The Helios 44-2 is really a nice tele for micro 4/3 cameras.
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pinholecam
Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 223
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:13 am Post subject: |
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pinholecam wrote:
For the price, I think the Helios44 is good fun.
DSC0632420140411ILCE-7-1 by jenkwang, on Flickr
I think there is a learning curve to using it on FF vs aps-c.
On aps-c, most of the mainly 'consistent' sharp portion of the lens is within the compositional area of the frame.
On FF, the usual compositional area (eg. rules of thirds area) is already affected by the swirl and loss of IQ when used wide open.
So there is a need to compose with the sharp areas of the frame. |
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:59 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
mo wrote: |
I would like one to find out how artistic it is but it is hard to come by, The helios would be the cheaper option. |
I can strongly recommend the Domiron.
I love that lens.
Guess it was produced only for a short time because it declassed the Zeiss lenses.
This thread made me going into our garden to make a few fast non-artistic shots with my M42 Domiron on my Canon 5DII. Only cropped.
Hope to make some more next week, as I was asked to shoot some portraits.
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Klaus,thanks for posting these,Simply Stunning.
I have only seen one Exakta Domiron on Australian ebay and the price was a little high...$200+.Thanks for confirming that there are M42 versions out their. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
mo wrote: |
Klaus,thanks for posting these,Simply Stunning.
I have only seen one Exakta Domiron on Australian ebay and the price was a little high...$200+.Thanks for confirming that there are M42 versions out their. |
Well, not really, I'm afraid, it is a prototype lens.....
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Oh well,I was hopeful for a few hours. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:34 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
mo wrote: |
Oh well,I was hopeful for a few hours. |
You can use the Exakta version....
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
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mo
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:38 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I only have the Pentax K-01 as my camera. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
mo wrote: |
I only have the Pentax K-01 as my camera. |
Obviously the wrong choice.
Buy an Exakta Domiron and get it adapted to M42
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
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mo
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mo wrote:
Wrong camera for the Exakta Domiron, but the right one for my other M42 lenses. One day I will pick up one of those versitile cameras that take the Exakta mount, then I will have the whole other headache of buying more lenses.
What does the prototype M42 domiron look like? _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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exaklaus
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:33 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
mo wrote: |
Wrong camera for the Exakta Domiron, but the right one for my other M42 lenses. One day I will pick up one of those versitile cameras that take the Exakta mount, then I will have the whole other headache of buying more lenses.
What does the prototype M42 domiron look like? |
Like the Exakta mount, but without the release arm for the diaphragm. It has the diaphragm pin, like other M42 auto-lenses.
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
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