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rtodorovsky
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 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:47 am Post subject: Sun Optical 21mm wide-angle F/3.8 M42 should i buy it? |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
Hello,
EDIT DOWN.
I was offered Sun Optical 21mm wide-angle F/3.8 for Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f2.8 Zebra.
Here are some images of the offered lens:
Is it a good lens, any test opinions?
Thanks in advance.
EDIT!
Here are some preview images, i decided not to buy, i have a 8mm Samyang now  ))
The names are the "f"s.
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CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
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CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
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casualcollector
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Interesting for curiosity value. From a period when independent makers were just beginning to venture into lenses wider than 28mm. Probably not an outsanding lens. Physical characteristics (Italic font on aperture and distance markings, Nikon/Pentax focus direction and "E" in serial) indicate a lens manufactured by Sankor.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Very similar to the common lens sold in T4 interchangeable mount under the Soligor and Vivitar brands. Its different as that one has a 72mm filter.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
depend from price if low enough for gamble , take a risk . I bought and try a Spiratone 18mm , it is excellent lens.
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rtodorovsky
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| depend from price if low enough for gamble , take a risk . I bought and try a Spiratone 18mm , it is excellent lens. |
Well he wants to trade me for the Flek, but i'm not quite sure if it's worth it. The Flek i battered, but works fine. I'm selling it, here in Bulgaria, for 130 euro. This is the average price of Flek's. So suggestions? I was thinking of testing it prior to buying, so probably if he agrees i will test it, and post some photos, i will appreciate your professional opinion, as i'm a beginner with zest but little knowledge. Thanks.
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CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
CZJ P6: Biometar 80mm f/2.8
CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
75 EUR to risk is fine, 130 EUR is not. To chance get a lemon lot higher than to get a good one, ask him for a try , shoot at f8 in good light from tripod ,shoot to closer and to infinity. Go home look pictures and you can decide what should you do.
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rtodorovsky
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| 75 EUR to risk is fine, 130 EUR is not. To chance get a lemon lot higher than to get a good one, ask him for a try , shoot at f8 in good light from tripod ,shoot to closer and to infinity. Go home look pictures and you can decide what should you do. |
Well for a person with a 700 EUR salary 75 EUR is a lot ). Thank you very much for your suggestions. I will post test shots later.
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DSLR: Canon 550D
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Lenses
CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
CZJ P6: Biometar 80mm f/2.8
CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
Others: Soligor CD Zoom+Macro 35-80mm f3.5-4.8, Unitax MC 28mm f2.8
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mo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Do what Attila says and test the 21mm before you decide to swap.
I have the same Flek as you and love it because it can do close images as well as decent building size images on my Pentax K200D...it is a great all round lens.The other is unknown.
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rtodorovsky
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
| mo wrote: |
Do what Attila says and test the 21mm before you decide to swap.
I have the same Flek as you and love it because it can do close images as well as decent building size images on my Pentax K200D...it is a great all round lens.The other is unknown. |
Yeah, that's what i think also. Will see how the 21mm works. Thanks.
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DSLR: Canon 550D
SLR: Canon 5
Lenses
CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
CZJ P6: Biometar 80mm f/2.8
CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
Others: Soligor CD Zoom+Macro 35-80mm f3.5-4.8, Unitax MC 28mm f2.8
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rtodorovsky
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
| casualcollector wrote: |
| Interesting for curiosity value. From a period when independent makers were just beginning to venture into lenses wider than 28mm. Probably not an outsanding lens. Physical characteristics (Italic font on aperture and distance markings, Nikon/Pentax focus direction and "E" in serial) indicate a lens manufactured by Sankor. |
Thanks. Is there a database where i can get that kind of info?
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DSLR: Canon 550D
SLR: Canon 5
Lenses
CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
CZJ P6: Biometar 80mm f/2.8
CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
Others: Soligor CD Zoom+Macro 35-80mm f3.5-4.8, Unitax MC 28mm f2.8
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timo832000
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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timo832000 wrote:
Hello rtodorovsky, I don't know this lens too but last month I aquired a Soligor 2.8/20. It's a solid performer but not as good as my Pentax 16-45 @20mm. I would imagine, stopped down to F8 your 21 should perform well too.If the 3.8/21 does not fullfill your requirements you can have my soligor for the price I paid for it.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
| casualcollector wrote: |
| Interesting for curiosity value. From a period when independent makers were just beginning to venture into lenses wider than 28mm. Probably not an outsanding lens. Physical characteristics (Italic font on aperture and distance markings, Nikon/Pentax focus direction and "E" in serial) indicate a lens manufactured by Sankor. |
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rtodorovsky
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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rtodorovsky wrote:
Posted some photos on top.
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DSLR: Canon 550D
SLR: Canon 5
Lenses
CZJ M42: Flektogon 35mm f/2.8, Tessar 50mm f/2.8
CZJ P6: Biometar 80mm f/2.8
CZJ PB: Prakticar 135mm f/3.5
Meyer-Pentacon: Pentacon Auto MC 135mm f/2.8 M42, Pentacon Prakticar MC 28mm f/2.8 PB
Russians: Jupiter-37A 135mm f/3.5, Industar-50 50mm f/3.5
Canon FD: Sigma Mini-Wide 28mm f/2.8 MACRO MC, Canon 70-210mm f/4
Pentax K: Carenar EEK 135mm f2.8, Super Carenar MC 55mm f1.7
Others: Soligor CD Zoom+Macro 35-80mm f3.5-4.8, Unitax MC 28mm f2.8
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guardian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
What I found interesting is that in this (seemingly) exhaustive list of 25 Sun Optical lenses, to include both prime and zoom lenses, the 21mm is not listed:
http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/manuals/Sun-Opt/201
(click "Sun Optical Lens (26)" to see the list) |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
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What I found interesting is that in this (seemingly) exhaustive list of 25 Sun Optical lenses, to include both prime and zoom lenses, the 21mm is not listed:
http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/manuals/Sun-Opt/201
(click "Sun Optical Lens (26)" to see the list) |
Makes sense: it's Sankor .
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guardian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
| guardian wrote: |
What I found interesting is that in this (seemingly) exhaustive list of 25 Sun Optical lenses, to include both prime and zoom lenses, the 21mm is not listed:
http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/manuals/Sun-Opt/201
(click "Sun Optical Lens (26)" to see the list) |
Makes sense: it's Sankor . |
Acknowledged . . . . and agreed. Thanks. I didn't pick that up on my own. I didn't catch the "E" in the serial number. I was going by the OP, which is wrong.
Here is another thread regarding this same matter:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=32184
and a photo of another such prime, a 135mm, also with the "E"
http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20108/2562_sun_135_35_pic2_1.jpg
and not Sun Optical. |
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quidam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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quidam wrote:
Kadlubek's Lens catalogue mentions:
Sun Optical Co Japan
Sun FM Auto: 21mm
Aperture range: 3,8-16
Elements/groups: 10
Aperture type: Auto
Filter: E62
Distance from: o,2m
Mount: M42 and Baj.
Average value: 60 and 70 EUR
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guardian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
| quidam wrote: |
Kadlubek's Lens catalogue mentions:
Sun Optical Co Japan
Sun FM Auto: 21mm
Aperture range: 3,8-16
Elements/groups: 10
Aperture type: Auto
Filter: E62
Distance from: o,2m
Mount: M42 and Baj.
Average value: 60 and 70 EUR
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Hmmmmmm
http://www.praktica-collector.de/images/Kadlubek_lens.jpg
The mystery deepens. Is it possible Mr. Kadlubek is unaware it's Sankor? |
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I've had a couple of Sun lenses that had exactly the same lettering style on the barrel as this, so are you sure it's made by Sankor?
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
There's been a couple on ebay just recently, so deffo a Sankor:
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Pancolart wrote:
SUN seems to distributed some Sankor made lenses. Why not.
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