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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: Computar 25mm F/1.3 |
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fatdeeman wrote:
Had this lens a while but never tried it much because it wouldn't screw right into my c mount adapter so no infinity focus but I kept meaning to loosen the stop screw on the focus ring to see if I could turn the ring past infinity and it works!
This lens is pretty good imo, it's quite sharp wide open and at f/5.6-f/8 it's sharp quite far into the edges of the frame. Vignetting is moderate wide open and decreases as you stop down. The colour and contrast are great and the bokeh is nice and smooth and oof highlights looks cool when the lens is stopped down because there's only 3 aperture blades! _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
performs nicely and the apparent vignetting disappears when stopping down. Good contrast and colors! _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats, nice lens!
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the bokeh is nice and smooth and oof highlights looks cool when the lens is stopped down because there's only 3 aperture blades! |
can you show us some triblade bokeh with street lights _________________ T* |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
poilu wrote: |
can you show us some triblade bokeh with street lights |
I completely forgot to get such shots yesterday but I will get some soon! _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
performs nicely and the apparent vignetting disappears when stopping down. Good contrast and colors! |
+1 very nice images! _________________ -------------------------------
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Very nice indeed, do you have a picture of the lens? _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
That's what µ4/3 is great for! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Very nice indeed, do you have a picture of the lens? |
The rubber focus grip is removed so I could loosen the focus stop screw which is aligned with the infinity mark in the photo. _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
It seems that the G1 is the perfect toy for those old lenses. The small sensor does have an advantage. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
It seems that the G1 is the perfect toy for those old lenses. The small sensor does have an advantage. |
put them on your Nex and crop to 4:3, you will get the same pics _________________ T* |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
It seems that the G1 is the perfect toy for those old lenses. The small sensor does have an advantage. |
I just wish it was less noisy! At base iso it's great and the resolution is immense but it just doesn't cut it at higher iso like the NEX does.
I still can't work out why shots taken with the G1's kit lens come out less noisy than with adapted lenses, it obviously does some processing even with the raw files for some reason. iso 400 with an adapted lens is worse than iso 800 with the kit lens!
With the kit lens iso 800 is not bad on the G1 with the NEX iso 3200 is not bad with ANY lens! _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
poilu wrote: |
LucisPictor wrote: |
It seems that the G1 is the perfect toy for those old lenses. The small sensor does have an advantage. |
put them on your Nex and crop to 4:3, you will get the same pics |
Yes, but not the same fun. Simliar to using a Tokina 12-24 at 12mm on a 5D and cropping then to APS (~19mm). Possible but nothing really thrilling. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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rbelyell wrote:
wow what great and to me totally unexpected results with this inexpensive lens--congrats and thanks so much for sharing. maybe i made a mistake spending all that extra money on a tevidon! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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muzzl3
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 7
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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muzzl3 wrote:
Hey guys, I am trying my local suppliers of CCTV systems for lenses, will these 25mm lenses cover the full frame with the minor vignetting shown in the images above? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
muzzl3 wrote: |
Hey guys, I am trying my local suppliers of CCTV systems for lenses, will these 25mm lenses cover the full frame with the minor vignetting shown in the images above? |
Some of them cover it , some of them not. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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muzzl3
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 7
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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muzzl3 wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Some of them cover it , some of them not. |
Fair enough, I will see what I can find. Probably Computar or Cosmicar/Pentax. There's definitely a Cosmicar supplier near my city.
Just because shipping from overseas is so costly.
I have a few options I think:
23FM25SP Tamron 2/3" Machine Vision lens, Focal length 25mm ,F/1.4 with Lock for MegaPixel Cameras, 30.5mm filter thread
CF25HA-1 Fujinon lens, 25mm, 1" 1.5 Megapixel series (1/2"-1" CCD), F1.4~F22, C Mount, Manual (I,F)). Filter thread M49 x 0.75mm.
HF25SA-1 Fujinon lens, 25mm, 2/3" 5 MegaPixel series (1/3"-2/3" CCD), F1.4~F22, C Mount, Manual (I,F) |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Without any knowledge about this lenses I vote for Fujinon. Good luck! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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muzzl3
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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muzzl3 wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Without any knowledge about this lenses I vote for Fujinon. Good luck! |
Yeah RAD,
I spoke to the guys and sounds like they are happy to sell to me, pricing should be okay as they feel like a wholesale/supplier. On Monday they're guy will get back to me with a price.
As micro 4/3 is 22.5 mm diagonally, this is 0.89 inches.
1" lens would be cropped, assuming the same ccd distance, where as 2/3" lens would have the vignetting?
With this assumption a 25mm lens would be slightly more than 50mm (by how much I am not going to figure out) on a 2x crop, where as the 2/3" sensor would be more or less 50mm and may require cropping of the image itself - thus less pixels.
Perhaps I am over thinking these things |
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Phenix jc
Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 398 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
wow what great and to me totally unexpected results with this inexpensive lens--congrats and thanks so much for sharing. maybe i made a mistake spending all that extra money on a tevidon! |
+1 (but no regrets with the Tevidon !) _________________ "Plonger les choses dans la lumière, c'est les plonger dans l'infini" Léonard De Vinci
f/1.2 club Zuiko : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Rokkor : 50/1.2, 58/1.2 Nikkor : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Third Party : Porst(Fujinon-X) 50/1.2, Porst 55/1.2 Canon : S 50/1.2, nFD 50/1.2, FL 55/1.2, R 58/1.2, nFD 85/1.2 Hexanon : 57/1.2 Nokton : 50/1.1 |
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muzzl3
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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muzzl3 wrote:
muzzl3 wrote: |
CF25HA-1 Fujinon lens, 25mm, 1" 1.5 Megapixel series (1/2"-1" CCD), F1.4~F22, C Mount, Manual (I,F)). Filter thread M49 x 0.75mm. |
The local supplier got back to me, at $290NZD for this lens I think I will keep looking for something cheaper on the second hand market |
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anfyrt
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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anfyrt wrote:
Hello everyone. I bought this computar recently, it cost me cheap. I modified lens with removing focus limit screw to get infinity focus, but without that screw lens got focus overrun in both directions. It doesn't worry me so much, but nonetheless I keep searching more right decision of focus limiting in correct range, most near close up and infinity.
Here some samples from my MFT camera.
Close up, near minimum focus distance.
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/737842/
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/737841/
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anfyrt
Joined: 03 Nov 2013 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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anfyrt wrote:
Some street snapshots with high ISO and low light.
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/709551/
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/709555/
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/709563/
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/anfyrt/view/709558/
I can say that this tiny tv lens is one one of my favourite mf-lenses. It is sharp straight from open wide aperture, it has nice colors and great bokeh and it looks great on my camera, it fits well on E-M5.
That's enough for now. Sorry for my ugly english. Bye. |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Nordentro wrote:
Very nice Anfyrt and welcome to the forum _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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jbuchbinder
Joined: 18 Aug 2014 Posts: 9 Location: New England, United States
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: Computar 12.5mm f/1.3 MFT modification |
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jbuchbinder wrote:
I actually had just performed a Computar 12.5mm f/1.3 to MFT adaption (with infinity focus). I'll try to make this easier for you than it was for me.
You need a C-mount to MFT adapter (which are usually less than 10-12 USD on amazon, less than that on eBay). There's a ridge which doesn't allow the back end of the lens to come close enough to the sensor for infinity focus, at least on the BMPCC. There are a bunch of people who tell you to dremel or file down the back of the lens, but you will most likely break the back lens mount if you do this too much. The trick is to pull out the screws on the back of the lens which connect the silver mount assembly, then manually unscrew the central lens assembly a few turns, which will bring it closer to your sensor. I can confirm that this modification (once re-assembled) does indeed produce working infinity focus for this lens, although I haven't checked to see whether the distance markings are still correct.
The C-mount adapter to MFT adapter I used was http://amzn.to/1oJL1bS
I also used a step up ring to give it a front filter mount of 58mm, which I could step up to my VND filter size ... http://amzn.to/1n1UIgl _________________ Jeff Buchbinder
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