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Pontus
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 1471 Location: Jakobstad, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: Medium format lenses on full frame (Sony A7 etc.) |
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Pontus wrote:
I have seen some stunning images shown on this forum taken with a Mamiya 200/2.8 APO medium format lens on a Nikon D800 camera. Surprisingly this lens is not much larger than equivalent full frame lenses.
Since this lens works so well on the D800 it makes me hopeful that there are other medium format lenses that would perform equally well on the Sony A7 etc. without being too large in size. It seems like good deals still could be had, but I guess not for long. Any suggestions? _________________ Follow this link for my FOR SALE list (partially updated 19.11.2015) |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
biometar 80/2.8 for Pentacon 6 is very manageable size. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Any Hasselblad lens from Zeiss ? I guess all good , but have to select carefully , may several has built in shutter. Biometar 80, VEGA 80,90mm , Kaleinar 150, Biometar 120, Pentax 645 lenses I think all nice, probably all less than 35mm top lenses, due genuine camera large film size. _________________ -------------------------------
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:31 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Biometar P6 manageable size? Well it is not too big, but compared to vanilla M42? Not to talk of really small ones like 55/1.8, three to four times the weight?
I would advise against this in general. You can try and the experiment will be fun, but 6x6 lenses tend to be more expensive, and worse, than 35mm lenses. Why would you bother with a Biometar at all when you can buy Sigma 50 macro in MAF mount for next to nothing, which does more lp/mm than you will ever need, and autofocuses (without any adaptor, too).
I don't doubt the 200/2.8 6x6 results were stunning, but that's probably because this lens is exceptional and the Nikon couldn't hold a candle to its resolution. |
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:47 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Um.. The Sigma will probably have the "Sigma problem" on SLTs, and not fit to a7 at all - I forgot, sorry, still thinking in Sony/Minolta AF SLR terms.
Still there are in general lots of 35mm lenses for any 35mm system. |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Any Hasselblad lens from Zeiss ? I guess all good , but have to select carefully , may several has built in shutter. |
No problem! Shutter is out of use when lens sits on an adapter and lens can be stopped down manually.
And my opinion about Zeiss lens quality should be known. _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Other Mamiya 645 lenses are worth looking at as they aren't too bulky and do produce good IQ.
For a long time the best value medium format lenses with good IQ were the Pentax 6X7 lenses, but these have started to become popular (more expensive as well). There was a time when these were cheaper than their 35mm Takumar equivalents, but that time may have passed.
Bear in mind with the Pentax 6X7 lenses that an adapter that works with the lens lengths up to 200mm will not work with focal lengths longer than that. A different mount and adapter are needed and these are much more expensive. Of course the Pentax 6X7 lenses may be too bulky for you anyway.
Then - as suggested - there are the Pentacon 6 mount lenses - the Biometars etc, but you might well just look at good quality 35mm MF lenses.
Here is an image (100% crop) from a pentax 6X7 105mm on D7000 and a link to other images:
http://forum.mflenses.com/pentax-67-105mm-f2-4-on-nikon-d7000-t61151,highlight,%2Bpentax+%2B67.html
Cheers
OH
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
buerokratiehasser wrote: |
Biometar P6 manageable size? Well it is not too big, but compared to vanilla M42? Not to talk of really small ones like 55/1.8, three to four times the weight?
I would advise against this in general. You can try and the experiment will be fun, but 6x6 lenses tend to be more expensive, and worse, than 35mm lenses. Why would you bother with a Biometar at all when you can buy Sigma 50 macro in MAF mount for next to nothing, which does more lp/mm than you will ever need, and autofocuses (without any adaptor, too).
I don't doubt the 200/2.8 6x6 results were stunning, but that's probably because this lens is exceptional and the Nikon couldn't hold a candle to its resolution. |
OP wanted info on smaller medium format lenses. i believe he knows full well medium format lenses are lagrer than their slr counterparts, and many are in fact less expensive (the biometar 80 can be had for well under $200), so im really not sure what youre trying to contribute here. if you know of a mf lens that is smaller than the biometar 80/2.8 you should let us all know. my advice is to assume he is an adult who knows what he wants and try to help the OP in what he wants.
i personally used mf lenses on my old 5d and got great results, especially with the biometar 120/2.8 which remains one of my favorite portrait lenses, although, OT, it is pretty large. opinions differ. lets not try to talk OP out of what he wants, or turn this into an OT debate, and just help give the guy the info he is looking for. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
duckrider wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Any Hasselblad lens from Zeiss ? I guess all good , but have to select carefully , may several has built in shutter. |
No problem! Shutter is out of use when lens sits on an adapter and lens can be stopped down manually.
And my opinion about Zeiss lens quality should be known. |
Great news really, thank you! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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lensfan1
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 52
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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lensfan1 wrote:
Seen the Mamiya Apo shots too. This is an amazing lens.
I have tried some Hasslblads on EOS and they where rather dissapointing. Even S Planar was only ok.
Mamiya RB lenses are even bad. Dont have enough resolution.
Biometar would be my next step. |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:05 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Great news really, thank you! |
You're wellcome!
have a look at how the shutter works if released for mistake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE20W-9Q-KQ _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Medium format lenses on full frame (Sony A7 etc.) |
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stevemark wrote:
Pontus wrote: |
I have seen some stunning images shown on this forum taken with a Mamiya 200/2.8 APO medium format lens on a Nikon D800 camera. Surprisingly this lens is not much larger than equivalent full frame lenses.
Since this lens works so well on the D800 it makes me hopeful that there are other medium format lenses that would perform equally well on the Sony A7 etc. without being too large in size. It seems like good deals still could be had, but I guess not for long. Any suggestions? |
The little survey here may give an idea of what to expect in the normal (around 80-100mm) and tele range:
http://www.artaphot.ch/systemuebergreifend/objektive/529-200mm-lenses
It's surprising that even the cheap Mamiya Sekor C 4/210mm partly outperforms the (faster) Minolta AF 2.8/200mm, a lens well known for its excellent image quality.
Vintage medium format wideangles (35mm to 65 mm) are a different story and usualy to be avoided.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Medium format lenses on full frame (Sony A7 etc.) |
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stevemark wrote:
Pontus wrote: |
I have seen some stunning images shown on this forum taken with a Mamiya 200/2.8 APO medium format lens on a Nikon D800 camera. Surprisingly this lens is not much larger than equivalent full frame lenses.
Since this lens works so well on the D800 it makes me hopeful that there are other medium format lenses that would perform equally well on the Sony A7 etc. without being too large in size. It seems like good deals still could be had, but I guess not for long. Any suggestions? |
The little survey here may give an idea of what to expect in the normal (around 80-100mm) and tele range:
http://www.artaphot.ch/systemuebergreifend/objektive/529-200mm-lenses
It's surprising that even the cheap Mamiya Sekor C 4/210mm partly outperforms the (faster) Minolta AF 2.8/200mm, a lens well known for its excellent image quality.
Vintage medium format wideangles (35mm to 65 mm) are a different story and usualy to be avoided.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1658
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
I used for a short time a mamiya 150/2,8 lens and it is a very good one. |
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e6filmuser
Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 581 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Maybe not what you expected! X-Pan 30mm, 45mm and 90mm on A7r 1. This was my first time out with these lenses so my technique was not refined. I think I used f8 for them all. All hand-held. The crop (second image) is to X-Pan format.
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
papasito wrote: |
I used for a short time a mamiya 150/2,8 lens and it is a very good one. |
I immediately beliefe that. I have onyl one "modern" Mamiya 645 lens (the 4/120mm Macro), and it is even better than the 1980s set of Sekor C lenses. I have never seen one here in Switzerland, and neither a 2.8/200 APo or a 2.8/300 APO. All should be extraordinary on FF or on the 50 MP "small medium format sensors".
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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