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enzodm
Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 350 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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enzodm wrote:
florentin77 wrote: |
hello,
thanks for all your replies!
i was looking on ebay for an old defect lens. habent for one yet! i got a hexanon 40mm for 17€ - but that stays the way it is! im working on getting a helios! whoch one do you guys prefere? the 44M2?
thanks for helping:-) |
take the cheapest you find - you are going to ruin it, no need for the best one (and differences are minimal). _________________
Canon 60D, Tamron 17-50VC, Canon 55-250IS, Sigma 50-150/2.8 plus:
Wide: Mir 20/3.5, Kenlock 24/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Yashikor 35/2.8, Mir 37/2.8
Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
Tele: Soligor 200/2.8, Pentax Super Takumar 200/4, Hanimex 400/6.3, Makinon 500/8
Various: Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 135/4.5, Tominon 105/4.5, Vest Pocket Kodak meniscus, Wray Supar 2"/4.5
Sony Nex 6 plus:
Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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wuxiekeji
Joined: 15 Aug 2012 Posts: 213
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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wuxiekeji wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
All Helios 44s are coated. |
OK, I meant a Helios that has a crappy coating and flares up easily _________________ Canon EOS 6D | Canon EOS 60D | Canon EOS-M | Voigtlander Nokton 1.4/35 | Zeiss Distagon C-Y 4/18 | Zeiss Distagon ZF 2/28 | Samyang 1.4/35 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/50 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/85 | Zeiss Makro-Planar C-Y 2.8/100 | Zeiss Sonnar C-Y 2.8/135 | Nikkor ED Ai-S 2.8/180 | Canon FD SSC Fluorite 2.8/300 | Tair-3S 4.5/300 |
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Alternate Internet ID
Joined: 30 Mar 2011 Posts: 253 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Having work in film and TV for 20 years we have a saying.
Shit in, shit out.
You must be 100% on this, because when you change your mind, that footage isn't ever going to be rescued. _________________
“Most things in life are moments of pleasure and a lifetime of embarrassment; photography is a moment of embarrassment and a lifetime of pleasure.”
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Sigma: Macro HSM 2.8-4/17-70mm
Sigma: 1.4/50mm EX DG HSM
Samsung: 3.5-5.6/20-50mm
Samsung: 2/30mm
CZJ: MC Flektogon 2.4/35mm
Tamron SP: 2.5/90mm
Helios 44M: 2/58mm
Canon FL: 1.4/50mm
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1437
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Alternate Internet ID wrote: |
Having work in film and TV for 20 years we have a saying.
Shit in, shit out.
You must be 100% on this, because when you change your mind, that footage isn't ever going to be rescued. |
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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TSherman
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 9 Location: BC, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:06 am Post subject: |
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TSherman wrote:
I am a little surprised by some of these critiques - Personally I like manual glass is because the images are unique - some of my lenses are slightly soft, some glowy - some with crazy bokeh, none technically quite as good as modern AF glass. But once I get to know each lens's idiosyncrasies I feel I can use them to create images with slightly more depth than what I can get with technically better glass... Maybe with a lot of careful thought and planning you can add some of that depth in post, but a lot of the time you can't - I don't see how this is any different. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:48 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Alternate Internet ID wrote: |
Having work in film and TV for 20 years we have a saying.
Shit in, shit out.
You must be 100% on this, because when you change your mind, that footage isn't ever going to be rescued. |
Exactly, my degree is in film & TV production and one thing they always drummed into us was to record things in 'the clear' because you can always add an effect later, but you can't take it off. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
It's also probably not that hard to find lenses in bad shape. I have an ISCO Westar with an abraded front element if anybody wants a special effect haze/soft focus lens. I also had a moldy Helios once that gave a soft contrast effect. |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I think you would be better off looking for lenses with low contrast that haven't been butchered, then charged double what they are worth. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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GeorgeSalt
Joined: 09 Feb 2013 Posts: 336 Location: Norfolk, UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: |
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GeorgeSalt wrote:
From what I can find on the web, there seems to be a number of different alterations they're making to these lenses.
The front element is being stripped of its coating, and sometimes re-coated - I've found a "red flare" version on the web made by someone else, and whatever they're using as the coating does seem to be influencing the colour of flare under some circumstances. Somewhere in front of the rear element a cats-eye insert is being added. This gives a bokeh shape similar to the characteristic anamorphic look.
And as I said, most of this forum wouldn't be expected to understand this. And the responses to this thread are pretty much what I expected here. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Disagreeing or not liking the result is different from not understanding.
In these processes working lenses are ruined and this is a fact.
Another fact: PP is undoable, lens flares/reflections aren't.
Then, if knowing these facts you still think it's worth it, go ahead and uncoat, paint grind whatever.
I used to shot my first music videos using super8 film, and digitized that by projecting it over strange surfaces.
If I showed the result now many people would say it sucks, and probably they'd be right, but that was the look I wanted, and the way to get it.
So there's no right or wrong, there are facts and opinions. And, as we say in Italy, opinions are like a**h**es: anyone has its own.
(the quote about opinions actually comes from a movie I don't remember) _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:00 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
We have the same saying in England about opinions.
I don't see the problem with taking junk lenses that are damaged and no good for 'normal' shooting and playing with those to get different effects.
One source of uncoated lenes is pre-war folding cameras, plenty of those around that are junk due to condition. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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florentin77
Joined: 16 Jul 2013 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:37 am Post subject: |
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florentin77 wrote:
i was going to buy an broken 44 and take it apart but i havent found one yet! they r all in quite good condition. i wouldnt destroy a good working lens! im not into the flares but more in the saturation/contrast. I dont want to use any digital filters. Im gonna try to take off the coating of a broken 50/1.7 minolta md. |
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Ultron
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 60 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ultron wrote:
Here's a flare shot from my Zebra Helios 44-2 shot on the EOS 5D classic.
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
I think the main thing this company does is to take the black finish of the lens away, most likely on a lathe.
An easy way to get with some luck nearly the same results could be aluminium foil. Take thin aluminium foil for kitchen use and warp it around inner barrel parts.
This could be removable.
Last year I made some tests with screwed out front ring from the Helios 44 to get the build in hood away.
But I was not satisfied. Coating removal is another way, but results are quite different. Only small difference as long as you have the sun shining on you back. With the sun in the image or near of this much more reflections. But in the moment I think a plane dirty glass (bad UV filter) hand held front of a normal lens works better for reflections / flares. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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